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halcyon
Jun 10, 2004, 11:19 PM
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In reply to: And by a concensus the TR point extention is approved...
Wow... what do you call a popular concensus? a good 2 or 3 people?
In reply to: Halcyon I’m so happy you have led... makes me feel all warm inside...
Yeah.. I got a bit carried away, didn't I. However, back when all I did was TR, I didn't demand any recognition for completing a climb. I think there should be this scale for TR
Send: To complete the climb regardless of falls.
and streight from the RC.com climbing terms dictionary:
In reply to: Greenpoint - n. To flash a route on toprope. |
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exposed
Jun 10, 2004, 11:32 PM
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The reality of it all is the fact that you haven't really climbed a route until you red point otherwise who cares what color of point you have. Remember you're not climbing unless you are taking lead falls.
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mowgli_z
Jun 11, 2004, 7:23 AM
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To all the tuff guys,
By adding more lingo; this is called E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N. If you think Pink Point is out dated it’s only because of evolution. If you don’t want Yellow & Brown Point to be a part of Top Rope Lingo then here is a idea for you: Why don’t you get the “Time Machine” and travel back in time to before your precious Red Point was a part of today’s Lingo.
I’d say you are the sissy for not evolving.
PS…
For the record climbing is going up and falling is going down: get it right~!!!
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cgailey
Jun 11, 2004, 7:57 AM
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Oooooh, I want point credit too! This discussion is lame. My question is this, why are you so concerned? Just get out there and save your precious fingers from the extra duty of typing redundant and ridiculous replies to a ridiculous thread. Climb it, challenge YOURSELF, and don't worry about your "credit".
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overlord
Jun 11, 2004, 8:03 AM
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cgailey has a good point.
and climbing on top rope has only two categories: its either SECONDING, when you climb behind a leader on a multipitch climb (even when using jumars) and clean the pro he placed and toproping when you climb the route on top rope.
the brown/yellow points are ricilous becasue you cant really be scared on a top rope (unless tis a traverse, but if it is, youre probably seconding and have gear to limit the pendulum anyway).
top rope is just that. a top rope. its about the safest way to climb.
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swede
Jun 11, 2004, 8:46 AM
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I can´t see any meaningful use for gear in the middle of a toprope climb. It´s just a way to complicate things (or to learn how to place/clean pro).
Meaningful "points" to score would be toprope onsight, toprope flash and toprope redpoint, since that tells something of your climbing ability.
I could also see the use for points to give you an idea of how many times you had to try the route before finishing it (for example redpoint means 2 or 3 times - anything else will be pointless).
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veilneb
Jun 11, 2004, 12:47 PM
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I would like to add another category...
The much covetted BLUE POINT.
Blue Point: When you belay a climber who does a hard send.
For instance, I belayed my friend on Predator (5.13b) at Rumney.
He earned a pink piont (since the draws are permanent) while I earned a blue point!
I'm very proud of that one. My hardest blue point to date.
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markc
Jun 11, 2004, 1:37 PM
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In reply to: Remember you're not climbing unless you are taking lead falls.
Nice concept. I'll make sure to remember that the next time I'm in R or X territory.
With all due respect, I'd say you're not climbing unless you're doing the following:
To move in a specified direction by using the hands and feet: climbed down the ladder; climbed out the window.
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mcfoley
Jun 11, 2004, 2:56 PM
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what if there were 9 bolts with one piece of fixed gear?
or 9 bolts with a screw link "draw"?
the route couldn't "ever" be redpointed unless you skipped that "piece"...??? that's just stupid!!!
If you care that much about this $hit, then you obviously are missing the point of climbing.
onsight, redpoint, hangdog, TR...DONE
mf
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mowgli_z
Jun 13, 2004, 4:52 AM
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Wow~!!!
Sorry, I didn’t mean to stir up so much drama, I think I’ll keep my lingo and points to my crew of 20 climbers who drill bolted sport routes every season. Since I have plenty of lead climbers to carry the rack and lead it up for me. I’ll stick to my 5.11 variations on TR; off-route & un-bolted face climbs.
(Safer then sorry = ropes are my insurance policy)
I will not be seeing any of you “tuff guys” were I’m going: I would like to invite you to become my “Flat-mate” and rent a room from me for $300, utilities included; By visiting my profile and getting my info.
I love calling all of my “Pink Points = Red Points” because I’m now a 5.12- RED POINT climber.
I love evolution,
Mowgli Zettabaud
PS… save your fingers for climbing instead of typing.
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b_fost
Jun 15, 2004, 7:45 PM
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In reply to: I think if someone can call a pink point a red point (5.15a) then I should get more credit for cleaning your Pink draws without resting or taking on the rope. Because I did more work then you except with less risk of falling.
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ikefromla
Jul 2, 2004, 6:46 AM
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In reply to: Okay, WTF??? Are you people really going to be that self righteous about who leads what and who gets TR credit? WTF! The man simply asked a question as to whether or not this is a plausible scenario. Not once did I see him ask whether or not he was intelligent, (ikefromla), or who can lead climb what, or even whether or not who has the best form of sarcasm. Its quiet simple to say, “Hey I think we should leave it the way it is,” or, “maybe there should be some clarification as to what kind of a TR you did.” Quite frankly I don’t give a s---, but if someone else does, starts a new lingo and it catches on... great then. So all you bad ass climbers that think bouldering sucks, F*** you, the same applies to what you think about this TR discussion. Do you know what serious Trad climbers think about sport climbers? If you do than you’re all dumb as SH**... Why? Because your continuing the segregation attempts within a climbing community that needs to stay united. All forms of climbing are sweet, and all have there purpose, and if you can’t see that then... Well I don’t think I need to go there. Okay maybe I should... F*** OFF!
achem: CHILL THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you and you're welcome. way to blow up a little bit of fun teasing.. jesus buddy.. i of all people consider myself an all-around climber.. don't get your knickers in such a twist.
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angry
Jul 2, 2004, 11:09 PM
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Do you guys know how funny this thread is.
Kalcario, I actually agree with you, what's up with that?
Fshizzle has purple tarpitted mcmartin27
Fshizzle has fuschia tarpitted ikefromla
Fshizzle has apricot tarpitted mowgli_z
b-fost has been teal tarpitted (the worst kind)
Fshizzle has locked this thread
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kman
Jul 3, 2004, 12:27 AM
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In reply to: Giving a "point scale" to toprope offers too much legitimacy to the style which in turn will encourage boulderers to take it up since they would then have slang with which to spray about it.
:lol: That's good comedy.
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ikefromla
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In reply to: Do you guys know how funny this thread is. Fshizzle has fuschia tarpitted ikefromla
I tarpitted yo momma.
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pbjosh
Jul 3, 2004, 6:47 PM
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In reply to: I'm no sissy because I personally bolder V4 & lead climb = sport 5.12a, Trad 5.9, Ice WI4, and spend a lot of time “top roping” variations. I think if someone can call a pink point a red point (5.15a) then I should get more credit for cleaning your Pink draws without resting or taking on the rope. Because I did more work then you except with less risk of falling.
Leading 12a sport or 9 trad or WI4 doesn't help you escape from sissydom. Arguing that your follow of a route is more worthy than someone's lead is what keeps you firmly planted in sissydom.
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mowgli_z
Oct 18, 2004, 11:32 PM
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Ok you're right.
I just got back from the Desert and I only led 2 of 30 routes. I now know I'm the sissy you claim I am.
You all are better then me, so would it just be alright if I cleaned your gear on a safe TR.
I'm not worthy,
I'm not worthy,
I'm not worthy,
Ya'll are my hero's
All I want is to be a "hard-guy" by association.
Let's all just climb together~???
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forkliftdaddy
Oct 20, 2004, 8:18 PM
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brown point = having to take a shit while on route
usually this occurs only on more secluded, multi-pitch routes. for me it was prusik peak.
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jt512
Oct 20, 2004, 9:27 PM
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Yellow point: Getting the piss scared out of you on a route.
Brown point: Similar to yellow point. Use imagination for details.
-Jay
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drector
Oct 20, 2004, 9:33 PM
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"Hi, I pink greened my yellow varation on the gold route with a pointed blue blue-point of the upper head-bang-point bla bla bla...
Yep. Cute color names for climbing style sounds silly to me. They just make it easy to brag and easy to get knocked down when bragging. Sorry.. I meant to use the proper CLIMBING lingo... When spraying!
I'll stick to saying I "climbed" something and let the other peson ask how if they even care.
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kachoong
Oct 20, 2004, 10:37 PM
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In reply to: "Hi, I pink greened my yellow varation on the gold route with a pointed blue blue-point of the upper head-bang-point bla bla bla... Yep. Cute color names for climbing style sounds silly to me. They just make it easy to brag and easy to get knocked down when bragging. Sorry.. I meant to use the proper CLIMBING lingo... When spraying! I'll stick to saying I "climbed" something and let the other peson ask how if they even care.
....and as for colours.... how 'bout - "What's the Point"?
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ophir
Nov 3, 2004, 8:22 PM
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Pink yellow brown ...... this has got to be the stupidest post i have ever seen who cares its toproping
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ophir
Nov 3, 2004, 8:24 PM
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O sorry I got lost I don't think I'm allowed in the sport forum
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unabonger
Nov 3, 2004, 9:33 PM
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I have one more to add to this briliant discussion, thanks to some NoCal (that's North Carolina, you westcoastcentric bigots) friends.
When you return to a route that you previously redpointed, onsighted, flashed, soloed, headpointed, yellowpointed, pinkpointed, or brownpointed, and you flail.....
That's called the "BlackPoint" and it has now erased every other form of ascent you made of the route, and it means you either got lucky previously, you're now old, you're now a pussy, you're now injured, you're now a feeble pile of chossy excuse making assbag, or all of the above.
UB
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texscala
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I think once you start leading you do not care much about TRing. The people who use all the terms we are talking about are usually those leading. I only TR when my partner leads somthing that scares the piss out of me and when that happens I really do not like to talk about it. I never tell anyone I can climb a route until I can lead it. So I say no to yellow and brown points.
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