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wearyourtruth
Oct 18, 2005, 8:32 PM
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i was just curious about if anyone here had experience writing a guidebook. i'm curious about details about publishing, copywriting, etc. how do you make sure your work stays cited to you? (copywriting) are there companies that will publish in very small quantities, say it's a very low-key area where probably only a few hundred (maybe less?) people would want to buy a book? any help would be appreciated. thanks! 8^)
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fishbelly
Oct 18, 2005, 8:41 PM
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Yes I wrote a guide book. Soon after I had to relocate.
I paid a local print shop and donated the profit to the access fund.
Still had to relocate though.
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memory_hole
Oct 18, 2005, 8:47 PM
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Some friends of mine developed a local crag and put together a guidebook for it. It's basically a Kinko's job. Heavy paper stock for the covers and standard photocopy paper for the rest. They put a standard copyright notice inside, and they bought a cheapo spine stapler to put the whole thing together. It's actually a nice little booklet, and I think they sell them for $5 or thereabouts. Given the huge amount of work and hardware they invested in putting 70ish nice routes up, the guidebook sales are just token compensation.
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asandh
Oct 18, 2005, 9:51 PM
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:)
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asandh
Oct 18, 2005, 9:53 PM
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Like memory hole said, if you're talking about a totally "local area" and just a few hundred sales at most, then self publishing at Kinkos is probably the way to go. The money you'll get from the sales will in no way repay you for your efforts. It should basically be just something you want to do for your local climbing community.
If you just want to get the route info out, you could go an easier route and just create Free downloadable PDF guides for climbers. Nice for the climbers and least amount of hassle for you. Everything you create is automatically copyrighted.
An example of some Free downloadable copyrighted local guides:
http://www.giantsoftware.com/sdcc/free_guides.html
Good Luck :)
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flamer
Oct 18, 2005, 11:42 PM
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On this site the following people have written guidebooks.....
bobd1953
Jurn
Charlie fowler(I don't remember his screen name)
larryd(well sort of a guidebook..)
boltdude
I'm sure there are others....
josh
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keinangst
Oct 19, 2005, 12:46 AM
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If you want to do something small-scale, check out drtopo.com.
They have lots of submission guidelines assistance, and IIRC they offers all kinds of Metolius goodies for usable submissions!
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rocknroll
Oct 21, 2005, 3:51 AM
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Go the kinkos route or downloadable.
VERY IMPORTANT
you bring more people to a natural area with a guidebook. This ony has a negative effect. USE THE GUIDEBOOK TO EDUCATE climbers about no impact techniques -not minimal impact - NO IMPACT - take your human waste with you or buy a porta-potty. Anyway you do it, you created it, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY (which means you spend your spare time picking up trash, building trails and closing off new roads)
Someone will hate you
someone will have bad things to say about you.
someone will say you're just wrong.
someone will say there is a mistake in the guide ..and there will be
on copyrights:
Guidebooks can be copyrighted, route names in common usage cannot be copyrighted because they are geographical features. However, if you put up all the routes, route names can be copyrighted before they are in common usage.
Get a ISBN number barcode
FINALLY
be proud of what you have accomplished
and remember guidebooks are supposed to be fun. Save the slander and ego for the bar
Do it for the love of the sport and to educate.
Because you don't make money
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