Like I said, if you prefer to fend off a knife attack hand-to-hand, that's fine with me. I'd much rather have a gun to draw. I know you don't get it.

Trad, and others -- what do you think I would have done in this situation?

From 1984 to 1992 the City of Los Angeles refused to issue a single permit. In a city of 3.5 million people, over a period of nine years, not one applicant was found to have both "good moral character" and "good cause" to carry a handgun for protection. [25] As of 1992 only about 400 concealed-carry permits were issued to Los Angeles County's population of 8.86 million (0.005 percent). As of 1994, prior to Virginia's adoption of a shall-issue licensing system, only 10 persons of Fairfax County's population of over 850,000 (0.001 percent) had permits.

By comparison, as of 1994 two other states with discretionary licensing systems, Connecticut, with a population of about 3.28 million, and Indiana, with a population of about 5.54 million, had approximately 116,000 and 221,000 outstanding permits to carry firearms, respectively (3.54 percent and 3.99 percent, respectively).

To provide further perspective, contrast those numbers with the numbers in two states that had shall-issue licensing statutes. In 1992 Pennsylvania, with a population of about 12 million, had approximately 362,000 outstanding permits to carry firearms (3.02 percent), and Washington, with a population of about 4.86 million, had approximately 242,000 outstanding permits to carry firearms (4.98 percent). The Los Angeles City homicide rate around that time was approximately twice as high as that of Indianapolis and three times as high as that of Pittsburgh or Seattle. The most dangerous city issued the fewest permits per capita.

The data is kinda old, sure, but it's an interesting look at things.

Cato Institute link

Concealed-carry reform reaffirms the basic idea that citizens have the right to defend themselves against criminal attack.

You have yet to tell me how you would prefer to defend yourself against a knife attack.

By comparison, as of 1994 two other states with discretionary licensing systems, Connecticut, with a population of about 3.28 million, and Indiana, with a population of about 5.54 million, had approximately 116,000 and 221,000 outstanding permits to carry firearms, respectively (3.54 percent and 3.99 percent, respectively).

...and once the knife attack question is anwered maybe we can finally get to how you'd defend against a pie attack?

That's the point.

I don't spend my time being frightened of imaginary knife attacks and creating imaginary solutions to them. More to the point, I know the difference between an imaginary solution and what would happen in a real situation. You don't.

See, you're demanding that I create solutions to your lurid he-man fantasies. I'm not doing it, but it's not because I'm a coward.

It's because an imaginary solution doesn't work for me. It works for you because your problem is really fear, and an imaginary solution is ideal for that imaginary problem.

By your own admission, you've been confronted with more assaults than I have. I'm still betting you'd prefer to have a gun than defend yourself hand-to-hand against a knife attack, but I guess we'll never get a direct respose from you.

stuff about how I'm paranoid, frightened, and delusional...because I carry a gun.

I certainly don't expect to, nor want to, change your opinion about whether you would want to carry a gun. I had hoped to convince you that people like me aren't frightened, hysterical, paranoid neurotics who go around planning for when and where we can use our guns.

Well it doesn't matter what you hoped for. All your posts do make it sound like you're just waiting for someone to attack.

Unless you're african american or hispanic and have in income of 20,000 or less and live in a very poor area you're chances of that kind of confrontation are very very slim.

So I would say you're pretty delusional with your rationale for why you need to carry a gun, but I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't have to justify it.

So, if you think you need one, carry one, just don't try to justify it, because you're making youself sound like a paranoid gun-toting moron.

...a paranoid gun-toting moron.

Not really. It's possible that you can only read his posts as such, but to others, he certainly doesn't sound that way.


So is it then your position that only African Americans or Hispanics or poor people are victims of violent crime?


You ought to work on having a more open viewpoint. Being closed minded and having preconcieved opinions is not healthy.

Unless you're african american or hispanic and have in income of 20,000 or less and live in a very poor area you're chances of that kind of confrontation are very very slim.

In 2004--
Per every 1,000 persons in that racial group, 26 blacks, 21 whites and 13 persons of other races sustained a violent crime.

Black and white persons experienced similar rates of simple assault.

Black, white, and other races experienced about the same rates of rape/sexual assault.

Hispanic persons age 12 or older experienced 11% of all violent crime and made up 13% of the population.

I had hoped to convince you that people like me aren't frightened, hysterical, paranoid neurotics who go around planning for when and where we can use our guns.