whoa, you guys carry some stupid huge packs.

whoa, you guys carry some stupid huge packs.

for trad climbing, you just simply don't needs packs that big!!

you need something big enough to hold all the gear, a rain jacket, some snacks and water. it then needs to pack down small enough that you can comfortably lead with it on.

the recomendation for the rei talus 35 above is a good one. thats what my partner carries, but even that i find a bit big for 90% of what we do. though its nice for one of us to have a slightly larger pack for when we plan to bivy. it compresses down very well after you pull the trad toys out of it.

i use a north face spire 30, its a 1800 cu in pack that weighs under 2lbs (trimmed down from the factory 2lbs 8 oz). on a day trip i can easily carry double cams, double stoppers, draws, harness, ect, rope, snacks, a couple of beers, 3l of water in a bladder, precip jacket, helmet, headlamp, and it carries like nothing is there.

when we plan to bivy between my partner and i can carry the full rack, lead rope, tag line, bivy gear, jetboil, extra water, food, a couple of beers even, tons of snacks, radios, extra clothes, crampons, ice axe.

i mean, what the heck do you guys need these big packs for??? we manage to bring everything AND the kitchen sink with a 35l pack and a 30l pack.

The Origami barely has enough room for 2 dog turds and 10 quickdraws. It is a great concept which was too small to be used for anything climbing related including toproping.

I own one, my awesome wife gifted it to me.

The Fish is slightly larger, but has 1 main hole for everything (except a tiny zipper pocket for keys). So it's too small as well.

I find myself using a North Face that is similar in size and split in 2 like the Deuter. (my awesome wife gifted it as well).

Or I use my ratty old Millet, or my wife's less beat up Millet, both of which must be like 40L.