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drake
Oct 2, 2006, 5:18 PM
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Where would one buy such a piece of gear?
I need to mail order one. Anyone have a phone number for a shop that has them?
Thanks
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caughtinside
Oct 2, 2006, 5:30 PM
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Have you considered using a nut?
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holdplease2
Oct 2, 2006, 5:35 PM
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The Mountain Shop in Yosemite has them in stock, but I don't know if they ship items. I think that Frost draws are cheaper than a nut, but as Caughtinside suggests above, a nut should work.
-Kate.
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phugganut
Oct 2, 2006, 6:14 PM
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That is exactly where you can buy them. Scroll down and click the 'contacts' button and call the phone number given.
Doing business with Frostworks is a very pleasant and unusual experience considering the state of corporate America today. It is likely that your call will be answered by Tom himself, and not CSR#1249. He is very nice and seems genuinely interested in what you are doing and climbing. He took my order over the phone and sent the stuff out promptly. He declined to take payment in advance via credit card and instead said: "I'll just send an invoice with the merchandise and you can send me a check after you get it." How refreshing. How many other gear companies, even the good ones, do that? That was one bill I made sure to pay promptly!
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drake
Oct 3, 2006, 9:07 PM
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I want for a 2:1 hauling setup. Then it dawned on me, "why not us a larger rivet hanger? It is 5" long instead of the recommended 4" but maybe the hanger will work.
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holdplease2
Oct 3, 2006, 9:28 PM
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I'd highly recommend using two of whatever you use...as it will be bearing the weight of your haul over and over again. A blowout, 'specially with a static haul line, could be bad.
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-Kate.
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shakylegs
Oct 3, 2006, 9:45 PM
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Because I is ignorant, can someone please to be telling me what these powerdraws are used for.
Is it for cinching down on rivets?
Thanks for any enlightement you care to shine.
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iamthewallress
Oct 3, 2006, 9:54 PM
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In reply to: Because I is ignorant, can someone please to be telling me what these powerdraws are used for. Is it for cinching down on rivets? Thanks for any enlightement you care to shine.
Their marketed use is to be something that you can leave out for long periods for less money and with less risk of degradation due to UV or rodents than nylon draws. But they also work as beefy bolt/rivet hangers, although they're probably on the fat side for many. I guess you can use them in a 2:1 rig. Or any place else that a big swaged cable loop would be useful.
http://frostworksclimbing.com/powerdraws.html
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holdplease2
Oct 3, 2006, 10:01 PM
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Hi Shakey:
If you search on "hauling ratchet" you can probably find a description of how these are used to connect an ascender-type device (like a croll or basic) to a pulley when building a tool to do 2:1 mechanical advantage hauling.
A cable is used rather than nylon or perlon to prevent the stretch of those materials from introducing inefficiency into the hauling ratchet.
I have no idea how else they might be used.
Hope this helps,
-Kate.
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shakylegs
Oct 3, 2006, 10:34 PM
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Thanks you two, I would never had known.
I appreciate it.
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kimgraves
Oct 3, 2006, 10:39 PM
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Here's the link to PTPP's diagram for the hauling rachet. My guess is that Tom would be more than willing to make you up any length you wanted. Won't hurt to ask. But let me ask a dumb question to Kate et, el. Why not just a piece of chain with a link? Available at any hardware store for a couple of bucks.
Best, Kim
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ricardol
Oct 3, 2006, 10:49 PM
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hehe ..
.. i've had cord snap on me on my 2-1 hauling rachet .. its quite a surprise as you go flying backwards ..
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holdplease2
Oct 3, 2006, 11:29 PM
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Hey Kim:
The chain would have to be strong enough to withstand the same forces as the nut, and having a low profile of just a cable is nice in an already clustered situation...otherwise I don't see why not.
That said, I don't use the "hauling ratched" as described. I make a giant ratchet out of spare lead line, throw the ascender 30-50 feet down the rope and run backwards down the wall and jug up. Do this 3-4 times then re-set the pully. (If you do this, use a locker between the pully and the ascender on the end that you "throw" because it can get tweaked and unclip)
I just don't like all of the short little movements with the "hauling ratchet" as described and prefer to be able to use the momentum of basically falling down the wall.
Of course, I am backed up with a 20 foot dynamic tether tied into my harness then clipped into the anchor and another points in the unlikely event that the hauling system fails somehow.
If you are using spectra/gemini cord as the ratchet cord recognize this type of cord weakens over repeated bending cycles (such as ratchet hauling produces) and can then snap. What happened to Ricardol also happened to Pete. Not sure why Ricardo's broke...maybe this is why? Or was it regular wear/tear?
-Kate.
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epic_ed
Oct 18, 2006, 10:44 PM
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In reply to: ...I make a giant ratchet out of spare lead line, throw the ascender 30-50 feet down the rope and run backwards down the wall and jug up. -Kate.
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OK, that rocks. I've thought about doing the same thing, but its so damn tough mentally to unclip from the anchor and launch from the wall. I know...I'm a ninny. But you're right -- this would beat the hell outta humping the wall with the hauling ratchet. I think Chongo specifically designed the hauling ratchet to get in a work out for his "luvin'" technique.
Ed
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epic_ed
Oct 18, 2006, 10:45 PM
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In reply to: ...I make a giant ratchet out of spare lead line, throw the ascender 30-50 feet down the rope and run backwards down the wall and jug up. -Kate.
:shock:
OK, that rocks. I've thought about doing the same thing, but its so damn tough mentally to unclip from the anchor and launch from the wall. I know...I'm a ninny. But you're right -- this would beat the hell outta humping the wall with the hauling ratchet. I think Chongo specifically designed the hauling ratchet to get in a work out for his "luvin'" technique.
Ed
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holdplease2
Oct 19, 2006, 5:47 AM
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Hey Ed:
I'm always backed up with a separate line of course. :)
-Kate.
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