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acacongua
Dec 1, 2006, 4:12 AM
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clausti wrote: what's that you said? you want to come party with me at rocktown at new years and then throw down?
I'll probably be there, but with all the people,I may not find you. That place was craaaaaaazy last year - so much I ended up in the hotel at the bottom of Pigeon. LOL
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phugganut
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I have many female climbing partners, and this subject does come up occasionally. From what I have seen, women generally say that it doesn't matter if a guy climbs harder than them or not. Then they only date men that climb harder than them, despite active interest from other guys.
Actions speak louder than words???
PS: I would LOVE to date a woman that climbs harder than me. Unfortunately they always seem to already be in a relationship... with a guy that climbs harder than me.
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c_mtnbear
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Very grounded and very well stated!
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stymingersfink
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c_mtnbear wrote: Very grounded and very well stated!
which seems to contribute to his problem... too well grounded! :)
Perhaps it may motivate him to climb harder? I've always just climbed for myself, but I suppose if there were some romantic attraction with one who climbed harder than I can (not too difficult to do) than it probably would motivate me to climb harder. Maybe.
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nthusiastj
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shorty wrote: In reply to: If you are dating a climber, does it even factor in how hard he climbs? I probably need to start stalking the US Ski Team.
Brad,
Kim and I shared a lift at Beaver Creek this past weekend with one of the Ski Team gals. She was pretty cute... Just sayin, as long as their in town...
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shorty
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nthusiastj wrote: shorty wrote: In reply to: If you are dating a climber, does it even factor in how hard he climbs? I probably need to start stalking the US Ski Team. Brad, Kim and I shared a lift at Beaver Creek this past weekend with one of the Ski Team gals. She was pretty cute... Just sayin, as long as their in town...
Now really, do you think some of the best skiers in the world want to be dragged down by a never-has-been, I-can't-ski-my-way-out-of-a-wet-paper-bag, weekend warrior racer wanna-be, who drives a computer mouse for a living?
By continuing to slave away on my laptop and pass those oh-so-exciting reports up the chain of command, I'm just saving the women on the US Team from level of excitement they probably can't handle. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
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foodlovur
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Reading through the first few comments, I was thinking: sure, of course it's important to connect with the guy, but it's hard to imagine dating a climber climbing below your level... maybe if he's just getting started and you trust he'll be out-climbing you in no time. I've got this one male friend who is about 10x sexier when he's leading a climb above my grade (as opposed to sitting on my couch not helping with the dishes). Unless they're super skinny, most climbers are pretty hot.
But then I read your comment, and you definitely have a point. i've been climbing for about a year and a half. I'm only solidly leading 5.8, but I can second up to 5.10d with a little thrashing and quite a bit of whining. While a 5.13 male climber may be super-sexy and willing to chill out on some easier stuff, I'd always feel like he was doing me a favor. It'd be like a rest day for him, esp. if I lead anything. Probably we'd end up compromising: he'd lead something at the high-end of what I can second. And it sucks to always be the girl following her boyfriend around. Plus, while I might become a better climber by being on harder routes, I won't become a better lead climber. I've talked to other ladies about it - inevitably, we get lazy, letting the guy do all the work (he's just so damn efficient, plus it's annoying when he offers helpful suggestions), and we end up less confident on lead.
Plus, I probably jump to the conclusion that if he's climbing 5.13, it's pretty serious. I will always feels like climbing is the real love of his life. If I'm lucky, I might manage second place, someday.
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jt512
Dec 15, 2006, 6:33 AM
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I'm really amazed at how important it seems to be for you gals that your guys climb harder than you. What is up with that?
Jay
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foodlovur
Dec 15, 2006, 6:42 AM
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Women deserve equal pay for equal work. Men can change diapers. But I don't think any amount of enlightenment will ever trump our biology. We want our men strong and agile.
But you're climbing 5.12s. You're all set.
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jt512
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foodlovur wrote: Women deserve equal pay for equal work. Men can change diapers. But I don't think any amount of enlightenment will ever trump our biology. We want our men strong and agile.
I think it's broader than just "strong and agile." I think women want to feel inferior to "their men."
In reply to: But you're climbing 5.12s. You're all set.
You may PM me for my phone number.
Jay
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foodlovur
Dec 15, 2006, 7:07 AM
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jt512 wrote: I think it's broader than just "strong and agile." I think women want to feel inferior to "their men."
Maybe we don't want to feel that our men are inferior to us.
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jt512
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foodlovur wrote: jt512 wrote: I think it's broader than just "strong and agile." I think women want to feel inferior to "their men." Maybe we don't want to feel that our men are inferior to us.
We're saying the same thing.
Still, it's just climbing. I mean, come on, how important can it be that your boyfriend can outclimb you?
Jay
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clausti
Dec 15, 2006, 2:45 PM
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jt512 wrote: foodlovur wrote: jt512 wrote: I think it's broader than just "strong and agile." I think women want to feel inferior to "their men." Maybe we don't want to feel that our men are inferior to us. We're saying the same thing. Still, it's just climbing. I mean, come on, how important can it be that your boyfriend can outclimb you? Jay
you know jay, it just so happen that every boy whose ever aske me out has outclimbed me, and every boy i've ever asked out that I outclimbed has turned me down. coincidence?
[also known as "it aint just the girls who are sexist"]
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uasunflower
Dec 15, 2006, 3:02 PM
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clausti, maybe you should judge yourself first before judging others...
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bizarrodrinker
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clausti wrote: jt512 wrote: foodlovur wrote: jt512 wrote: I think it's broader than just "strong and agile." I think women want to feel inferior to "their men." Maybe we don't want to feel that our men are inferior to us. We're saying the same thing. Still, it's just climbing. I mean, come on, how important can it be that your boyfriend can outclimb you? Jay you know jay, it just so happen that every boy whose ever aske me out has outclimbed me, and every boy i've ever asked out that I outclimbed has turned me down. coincidence? [also known as "it aint just the girls who are sexist"]
What about guys who get shot down on both fronts? I had to get my gf into climbing before I could get a female partner. I guess I am just not a desirable male specimen in terms of climbing.
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clausti
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uasunflower wrote: clausti, maybe you should judge yourself first before judging others...
sorry, i didnt mean to imply all men or all women are sexist. i'm just saying it is not an phenomenon that is exclusive to either.
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stymingersfink
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foodlovur wrote: Plus, while I might become a better climber by being on harder routes, I won't become a better lead climber.
If you're following .13's, that .8 lead will fall by the wayside, in favor of something a little more challenging.
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foodlovur
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I disagree... obviously... yeah, I might be able to pull the moves more easily, but being on the sharp end is hugely mental, and you don't develop the mental stamina to commit on lead when you're seconding all the time.
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caughtinside
Dec 17, 2006, 12:57 AM
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classic.
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foodlovur
Dec 17, 2006, 10:19 PM
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funny. isn't there some policy prohibiting cross-references to other forums?
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Alright, I made it through the whole thread, which entitles me to add my two cents:
So, I used to be of the school that sings "I don't care how hard he climbs."
Then I dated one non-climber who WANTED to climb, one total n00b, and one guy who is just a little below my own level.
And now, I admit, I WANT TO DATE SOMEONE WHO CLIMBS HARDER THAN ME (or at least at the same damned level)!
I got so sick of being the ropegun, of belaying someone who was pissed off and frustrated, of inefficient belay turnovers on multipitch, of ALWAYS USING MY GEAR. (Of mingling racks with someone who owns only *gasp* Rock Empire cams... blehhh...) There was a lot of emotional turmoil, of my boyfriend being angry because he couldn't do something I could, of me being bitter that I didn't get in as much climbing in a day as I'd have liked.
I think it does come down, a bit, to women wanting to feel like the have big strong men to take care of them. It's the same reason most women won't date guys shorter than them. I think women inherently want to feel protected, and not getting that feeling, for a lot of us, creates strain on a relationship. Hell, as much as I don't want to be a girly girl, I'd definitely cook dinner and do the dishes for someone who'd ropegun 5.11 cracks for me.
So yes... I've changed my song, I think at this stage I *do* care how hard the guys I date climb. I'm NOT teaching n00b boyfriends how to climb anymore... it's just too much stress on a relationship.
(Oh yeah, and one last thought, I could date someone who climbed way harder than me, as long as we didn't always... or even usually... climb together. I'll never understand the 5.10 gal, 5.13 guy pairs who insist on climbing together all the time. Date, but don't be climbing partners, it's such a simple solution.)
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