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vertical_planar
Jul 25, 2007, 6:17 AM
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I had stored my climbing gear in the boot of my car for about 8 hours on a very hot day (113 F outside)
When I got everything out of the car the quickdraws were so hot you could not touch them!!!
I got a bit freacked out by that. Could this create a problem to their strength?
Note: My rope was not stored there (fortunately!!!)
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flint
Jul 25, 2007, 6:36 AM
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First, don't do it again.........
Second, rap off a pitch, then grab the biner, hot right. Your gear is fine, but just don't get in a habit of this.
P.S. Heat will distroy your shoes.......
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vertical_planar
Jul 25, 2007, 9:32 AM
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ok that was stupid. I had parked in the shadow but the shadow moved and the car was cooked...
well its not the biner, its the tape of the quickdraws that worries me most.
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petsfed
Jul 25, 2007, 10:01 AM
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The webbing could be damaged. It might not. If you have access to the means to test one of your draws, by all means do so. I don't think it's damaged, but if you don't trust it, you won't use it.
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overlord
Jul 25, 2007, 10:24 AM
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of you doubt the webbing, just replace it. dogbones arent expensive.
and it could actually be a bonus because now you can a nice rack of quickdraws with different lenghts.
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sungam
Jul 25, 2007, 11:54 AM
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vertical_planar wrote: I had stored my climbing gear in the boot of my car for about 8 hours on a very hot day (113 F outside) When I got everything out of the car the quickdraws were so hot you could not touch them!!! I got a bit freacked out by that. Could this create a problem to their strength? Note: My rope was not stored there (fortunately!!!)
Best idea would be to read to manufacture's advice and/or ask them about it- you want to eliminate any chance of failure, and also be able to have complete trust in the pieces (if they're okay).
-MagnuS
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alx
Jul 25, 2007, 12:35 PM
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sungam wrote: vertical_planar wrote: I had stored my climbing gear in the boot of my car for about 8 hours on a very hot day (113 F outside) When I got everything out of the car the quickdraws were so hot you could not touch them!!! I got a bit freacked out by that. Could this create a problem to their strength? Note: My rope was not stored there (fortunately!!!) Best idea would be to read to manufacture's advice and/or ask them about it- you want to eliminate any chance of failure, and also be able to have complete trust in the pieces (if they're okay). -MagnuS
Common sense, reasonable advice. What are you doing on this site?
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dalguard
Jul 25, 2007, 7:12 PM
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My gear lives in the trunk of my car. I don't think I'm alone in this.
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NSFW
Jul 25, 2007, 9:36 PM
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dalguard wrote: My gear lives in the trunk of my car. I don't think I'm alone in this.
Where do you live and what kind of car do you drive?
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cole22
Jul 25, 2007, 10:05 PM
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my gear lives in my trunk as well. I live in the san ferando valley where it gets pretty hot and I never worry, and if I start to now I'm blaming you.
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jt512
Jul 25, 2007, 10:39 PM
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vertical_planar wrote: I had stored my climbing gear in the boot of my car for about 8 hours on a very hot day (113 F outside) When I got everything out of the car the quickdraws were so hot you could not touch them!!! I got a bit freacked out by that. Could this create a problem to their strength?
I think they're cooked.
Jay
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dynoho
Jul 25, 2007, 10:41 PM
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vertical_planar wrote: I had stored my climbing gear in the boot of my car for about 8 hours on a very hot day (113 F outside)
You should retire it immediately. Leave key in the ignition and PM with your address. I will send a tow truck to prevent accidental future use....
Your draws should be fine though.
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jt512 wrote: vertical_planar wrote: I had stored my climbing gear in the boot of my car for about 8 hours on a very hot day (113 F outside) When I got everything out of the car the quickdraws were so hot you could not touch them!!! I got a bit freacked out by that. Could this create a problem to their strength? I think they're cooked. Jay
Don't forget to replace all the airbags and seatbelts in your car. They must have gotten cooked too.
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vertical_planar
Jul 26, 2007, 6:29 AM
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jt512 wrote: I think they're cooked. Jay
Are you sure?
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flint
Jul 26, 2007, 6:53 AM
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They are fine. Having them in sunlight does more damage than heat. I know people who have never taken there gear out of their car, it is just a mess in the back of the blazer.
On my previous comment on the belay biner getting hot and you said that you were concerned about the webbing and not the biner. When your biners on your draws heat up, so does the webbing......
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Jul 26, 2007, 7:41 AM
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flint wrote: On my previous comment on the belay biner getting hot and you said that you were concerned about the webbing and not the biner. When your biners on your draws heat up, so does the webbing......
I think he meant he knew the heat would not damage the carabiners but that it might damage the webbing.
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flint
Jul 26, 2007, 8:12 AM
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SkaFreak wrote: flint wrote: On my previous comment on the belay biner getting hot and you said that you were concerned about the webbing and not the biner. When your biners on your draws heat up, so does the webbing...... I think he meant he knew the heat would not damage the carabiners but that it might damage the webbing.
Yes, I realize this, buy saying that the biner, and the webbing get hot during climbing, I am stating that the damage done from heat has probably been accounted for by the designer. And, that the heat in the car is similar, granted it is for longer sustained periods.
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vertical_planar
Jul 26, 2007, 10:56 AM
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Ok
Here is the PETZL answer:
"If the temperature in the back of the car was over 50 degrees the quickdraws should be taken out of service.
I am sorry I can’t give you a yes or no answer as I have not seen them.
If you are concerned in any way - withdraw them from use."
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thomasribiere
Jul 26, 2007, 11:06 AM
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Did you put oregano and thyme on them?
I appreciate that Petzl answered you, even if their answer is "diplomatic".
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dynosore
Jul 26, 2007, 12:41 PM
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In reply to: Don't forget to replace all the airbags and seatbelts in your car. They must have gotten cooked too.
Beat me to it. Nylon/spectra will be just fine, even if it got 200ºF in your car, which it didn't.
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ClusterFock
Jul 30, 2007, 2:34 AM
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When in doubt, replace.
It's not like the shit is too expensive. 
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Jul 30, 2007, 7:49 PM
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The 50 degree celsius from mPetzl converts to about 120 farenheit. That doesn't seem very high as a max safe temparature for the webbing if we consider it was already 113 outside (according to the OP). I am sure the car got hotter the that. I certainly hope there's a wide safety margin past that 50 celsius - shit.
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saphius
Jul 30, 2007, 8:29 PM
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Heat wave in Greece, eh? I just got back (did some bouldering in Kefalonia) and my parents are near Patras right now.
Personally, I'd use the gear, as long as there aren't any signs of degradation.
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paulraphael
Jul 30, 2007, 8:58 PM
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I don't believe that 50 degrees C does permanent damage; it likely only temporarily weakens the material. In other words, beware of the few situations where the webbing could get that hot in use (extending a rap device from your harness and sailing down comando style, etc.).
Would be worth checking with Petzl to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure these polymers can be heated fairly close to their melting points before being permanently weakened.
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crackers
Jul 30, 2007, 9:12 PM
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dynosore wrote: Beat me to it. Nylon/spectra will be just fine, even if it got 200ºF in your car, which it didn't.
Uh. Not for my money. Dyneema starts turning gooey at about 180 fahrenheit. By 200f it's well on it's way to worthless. It actually melts around 290, but the way it writhes and twists at 200 will make you never ever ever want that to be your gear if you watch it.
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