Is anyone catching that since women are "mistreated" that ALL men are the "mistreaters"

And Slab, just to elaborate on what Happie (very respectfully) said, yes - saying that you think women appear sexy in a certain garment is VERY DIFFERENT from saying that you believe the REASON why a woman wears that garment must be because she wants to appear sexy to you. I'm glad you seem to be starting to see that difference, as you said women you meet are often offended by things that you say. If you genuinely do not wish to offend, then I hope you will try to take what we are saying to heart about certain treatment being upsetting instead of telling us to sit back and enjoy it since other people wish they were treated that way.

It's a great picture, but instead of commenting on the quality of boulder problem, the strenght of the climber, or anything climbing related, this loser mentions her chest. That is degrading and humiliating to that woman who is likely a very strong climber, and deserves some respect.

.....Slab - could you do us all a favor,and link a picture of yourself(climbing a route or on a boulder problem), that you are especially proud of. Not because the photo makes you look "hot" or shows off your.....ummm...buldging manhood or some other feature of your body. One that shows you making effort in climbing.

We'll then post "comments." Please post the picture here, rather than directing us to one in your gallery, so we don't pollute the thing with remarks that would be innapropirate.

Consider it an experiment.

Ahem..I can hardly separate the two...

but here you go..:)
..lol

[image]http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1058/1214974639_15e0851333.jpg?v=0[/image]

Nice chest form.

Those are great looking arms... all toned and stuff. Very yummy.

hey that's not fair..all I got are comments from same sex dudes? And I'm not even gay.

No, you dont' get it, Slab. The word "tits" is degrading to most women and if I posted a picture and someone posted that comment it would feel like a "fuck you." And don't tell people to lighten up about issues you obviously have no idea about. You can choose to breeze through life if that suits you but you probably won't notice a "fuck you" if it hit you on the head. Fuck you, SLab.

You don't know 'til you try hunny.

hey that's not fair..all I got are comments from same sex dudes? And I'm not even gay.

Here's another RC.com recent example of why some of us are touchy. Here's a perfectly awesome front page pic of a strong woman climber in a beautiful setting:

[image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/6/339696-largest_moab.jpg[/image]

Second comment:
"nice ti...i mean pic"

http://www.rockclimbing.com/...ring/Moab_91079.html

It's a great picture, but instead of commenting on the quality of boulder problem, the strenght of the climber, or anything climbing related, this loser mentions her chest. That is degrading and humiliating to that woman who is likely a very strong climber, and deserves some respect. His comments were unprovoked and inappropriate. And no, Slab, I am not secretly wishing someone would put a 'nice tits' comment on any of my profile pictures.

So, I called that guy a jerk. The response I got from another user: "Nah, just male. Difference."

For the record, I think more highly of men than the person who made the comment above.

And thanks to Happiegirl for having the patience to keep this discussion going. It's important, but frustrating. You have more patience than I have!

Ahhhh The class..or the lack of it...

Chocophile says what I am thinking, while Happiegirl says what I wish would come out of my mouth. Slab, I don't think you're making many friends here in the ladies room.

8) Please read the "comments" and answer the questions following.

"What's that ugly, skinny thing sticking out from the front of his pants?"

"Poser thinks he's one bad dude....riiiiiight."

"Good thing it's summer, or the dude wouldn't be able to show off his girly-man chest."

"Pffft - bet he hang-dogged it."

Questions:

1) What is your initial reaction to this scenario? How do you feel about the comments, especially since you didn't submit the phot yourself, and didn't even know it had been shot.

2) Please write a "retort" to those comments, as if you were reading them, and wanted to add your side of things. Please try to be genuine, and not make up something funny for this experiemental thread. Please try to pretend this was real, and go with the feelings that came up for you.

Nice photo, by the way.

AHHHH! I think I've gone blind! Put a shirt and a hat on, honey, nobody wants to see some skinny balding guy without his shirt on in the Ladies' Room. If you didn't want negative attention you would have posted a picture with proper clothing so you must really be asking for it.

Just adding to the experiment.

You were expecting something more daring?

Do you mean that you were expecting I would write comments that were more like sexual innuendos?

Sort....the way that women might expect comments about climbing on pictures of them climbing, when posted on a climbing site?

So...you didn't get what you were expecting....hmmmm.

I do notice that, you came back with parries of attempted wit to defend yourslef against these slights. (One man's wit may very well be another woman's whip....)

And that you *did* get defensive when someone "attacked" your abilites(your running laps comment), and poked fun at you(my comment about it being a posed shot....was intended to illicit reaction, even though I sneekily snuck it in unsuspectingly! damm, I'm good!).

So....maybe you CAN understand why it would make a woman irritated to have her abilities dismissed. You didn't like attacks on your ability to climb well, or remarks about your body(you made the "hairy chest" comment....hun - we can't SEE any hair on that picture, by the way) - and surpise - neither do women.

Now, imagine that EVERY time one of your pictures comes onto rc.com, that you get these types of garbage comments.

As for humor - I would actually be surprised if anyone would honestly say I don't use humor in the majority of posts I submit to this site. I know you were referring to women in general, but slab - we're SICK of having to pretend gross behavior is "just joking." We've all Been there, done that. When a guy makes off-color "humor" at a girl's expense, and she "goes along with the gag" they often misread that as "hey! I like it!" They don't understand that she is simply trying to get through an ugly situation with out a scene.

Well we have a saying in Italy...
"The mother of the idiot is always pregnant..."
meaning that everywhere in the world there is NO LACK of them (idiots)

Should I get offended everytime I see TV? In US tv movies, or films, Italians are exclusively in the mafia business...Italy is depicted like a place around "Cinqueterre" where everybody smiles, picks up girls and does nothing all day but taking a coffee break. I know that's not the truth, should I start a crusade against that?
Don't let a stupid remark ruin your day...just skip it!