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cfurman
Nov 28, 2007, 10:06 PM
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lets hear it!
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billcoe_
Nov 28, 2007, 10:09 PM
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OK.
Troll.....
and a weak one.
Have a nice say. (Thats like day only with lip flappin')
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healyje
Nov 28, 2007, 11:11 PM
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It's beginning to look like someone has mounted an Aliens PR push...
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angry
Nov 28, 2007, 11:27 PM
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cfurman wrote: lets hear it!
I was talking with a newer climber yesterday about aliens. She doesn't have the luxury of being around when Aliens were fully trustworthy and unargueably the best camming units the world had ever seen.
She still likes aliens though they can be hard to trust. Poor girl.
It got me to thinking, what if I ever want new aliens? Hmmm. I don't know for sure but I think I would get them. Then test them.
I don't know about all the fuse/cord tests, they seem like a good way to hurt yourself or the cam. I'm thinking of taking backed up wingers on them. Aggressive bounce testing followed by a few 30 footers on an overhang should do. Worst case scenario, you break one and CCH sends you a new cam.
To those of you with brand new aliens, would you give merit to a post I made a year ago
angry wrote: Old Alien Comparison Green Alien = .3 Camalot = 0 Friend Yellow Alien = tight .4 Camalot = .5 Friend Red Alien = .5 Camalot = 1.0 Friend Orange Alien = .75 Camalot = 1.75 Friend (pay attention) Purple Alien = Tight 1 Camalot = 2.0 Friend Clear Alien = 2 Camalot = 2.5 friend or tight 3 friend. This isn't an exact thing though. For the most part, you can stick these pieces in the same size crack. Recently, aliens have added some pieces and some sizes have changed. I found myself unable to use a new alien next to an old of the "same" size. Here is the new list. New Alien Comparison Green Alien = .3 Camalot = 0 friend Yellow Alien = tight .4 Camalot =.5 friend Grey Alien = .4 Camalot Red Alien = .5 Camalot = 1.0 Friend Gold Alien = 1.5 friend Orange Alien = big .75 (tipped) = 2.0 Friend Purple Alien = 1 Camalot = tipped 2.0 Friend Clear Alien = 2 Camalot = 2.5-3.0 Friend I really like having less gaps in between sizes. Really, I like that a lot. The problem I've got is that now I've got two cams, same brand and same color that aren't the same size. It's tough in Indian Creek. Outside of there, you're less likely to get gapped by these minute differences. And this comes up a lot, so lets clear it right now. A .5 camalot is almost always the same as a red alien. A .75 camalot is almost always the same size as an old orange. A 1.5 friend is the logical piece in between these two sizes. It does happen often that a .75 won't go in and a .5 looks tipped. This is what the 1.5 friend covers. I imagine the gold (mustard colored) alien does this as well.
I'm hoping that the sizes are back to normal but I haven't used a new alien in a while so I don't really know.
Specific experiences with BRAND NEW orange aliens??
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healyje
Nov 29, 2007, 12:08 AM
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No, but here is a recent experience with a Blue, post-recall, CCH-tested Alien.
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moose_droppings
Nov 29, 2007, 12:19 AM
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RIP
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coastal_climber
Nov 29, 2007, 12:23 AM
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angry wrote: Specific experiences with BRAND NEW orange aliens??
I just bought the new Yellow and Grey ones, took them aiding and bounce tested the shit out of them and nothing happened. I'll have to wait until summer to get lead falls on them though.
>Cam
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billcoe_
Nov 30, 2007, 12:21 AM
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Oh look, it's another one of the "tested" Aliens! I wonder how it left the factory if they really tested it?
Hmmmmmmm?
Same with that poor fella who grounded on Soulders crack from 75' up. It was a Tested Yellow Alien. Same with that report from Micah Dash and the "Tested" purple Alien at Indian Creek that fell apart.
Turns out, anyone can stamp tested on the things, but what does it really mean if we keep getting failure reports.
I have 21 of them. CCH stamped "Tested" on every one of them after I sent them in for that purpose. At first I was feeling pretty confident till these new "tested" failures started happening.
I still use mine, it's big money, but with the Metolius brand version about to hit the stores and be very price competitive, why would any "rational" person buy a CCH Alien?
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billcoe_
Nov 30, 2007, 2:54 AM
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BTW, I know a guy how once put a single round in a revolver, spun it, put the metal to his head and squeezed the trigger with the barrel right at his temple. Turns out that the bullet was in another chamber and he didn't blow his brains out.
It worked out fine for him. So based on that, I'm sure you'll be OK as well.
Congratulations.
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InsolentMinx
Dec 2, 2007, 6:40 AM
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This guy from soulder crack musta been a frickin' idiot. What did he do climb 73 feet then decide to whip in a yellow alien for good measure? Everyone's waiting for these new metolius cams to come out like they are suppose to be the shit or something. Sounds like metolius and everyone else wants to bury CCH like a damn witch hunt. I know if I owned metolius I would pay some hapless bastard to post all these photos and bitch and complain about aliens so much that everyone would jump on the wagon and bury them. Just think about all the money I stand to make. All you whiners need to grow up and get a life.
Minx
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curt
Dec 2, 2007, 6:55 AM
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InsolentMinx wrote: All you whiners need to grow up and get a life. Minx
You first, OK? There have been many documented failures of CCH cams, both "tested" and untested. If you choose to be ignorant of the well established facts, that's fine--and you probably also don't believe that global warming is occurring.
Curt
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dynoho
Dec 2, 2007, 6:56 AM
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InsolentMinx wrote: This guy from soulder crack musta been and freakin idiot. What did he do climb 73 feet then decide to whip in a yellow alien for good measure? Everyone's waiting for these new metolius cams to come out like they are suppose to be the shit or something. Sounds like metolius and everyone else wants to bury cch like a damn witch hunt. I know if I owned metolius I would pay some hapless bastard to post all these photos and bitch and complain about aliens so much that everyone would jump on the wagon to bury them. Just think about all the money I stand to make. All you whiners need to grow up and get a life. Minx
Post number two. Factually erroneous and grammatically butchered. Please try again.
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InsolentMinx
Dec 2, 2007, 7:11 AM
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Eat me.
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InsolentMinx
Dec 2, 2007, 7:41 AM
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Big deal. You wait until all these manufacturers start making cams by the thousand just like cch was doing back in their heyday. Spring time is coming around and everyone's gonna want cams. When I first saw those OP link cams I thought, now there's a big clusterf*k pile of pins and springs and shit just waitin' to blow apart when some idiot sticks it sideways in a horizontal crack and thinks he's in like flint. Then OP jumped on boards right away and started apologizing and all kinds of shit like it was their fault. You place a cam or any pro for that matter in a crack and you assume the risk just like cars and guns. I don't give a shit how many photos and stats you post on the internet, you'r all a bunch of punks for believing that shit and then acting like frickin' crusaders wanting to lynch someone over it.
Minx
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healyje
Dec 2, 2007, 9:09 AM
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InsolentMinx wrote: Eat me.
Five posts - all about Aliens. The PR effort continues...
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angry
Dec 2, 2007, 10:29 AM
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healyje wrote: InsolentMinx wrote: Eat me. Five posts - all about Aliens. The PR effort continues...
As does your effort, as does yours.
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InsolentMinx wrote: This guy from soulder crack musta been and freakin idiot. What did he do climb 73 feet then decide to whip in a yellow alien for good measure? Everyone's waiting for these new metolius cams to come out like they are suppose to be the shit or something. Sounds like metolius and everyone else wants to bury cch like a damn witch hunt. I know if I owned metolius I would pay some hapless bastard to post all these photos and bitch and complain about aliens so much that everyone would jump on the wagon to bury them. Just think about all the money I stand to make. All you whiners need to grow up and get a life. Minx
Hey Minx, do you know the government faked the moon landing, too?
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InsolentMinx
Dec 2, 2007, 2:40 PM
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Every major gear manufacturer today started out in their garage making equipment. I'm sure that in the beginning every pin that Chouinard and Frost beat out of metal had the correct temper and didn't break or bend. Back then climbers knew better than to assume everything was a perfect world and they still put up routes. You don't hear the Russians or Europeans pissing and moaning about their equipment, do ya? That's because they know better. Fat Americans complain because the milk in their cereal isn't cold enough. We have become pathetic.
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InsolentMinx
Dec 2, 2007, 3:12 PM
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Five posts - all about Aliens. The PR effort continues...
You bet your sweet ass I will defend my aliens because they have saved my ass more than once. Hanging out there with your arms pumping up fumbling for the right piece of pro with a ledge below you. Yea, I know it sucks. Everyone used to love aliens, just look back at all the posts about them before CCH got a bad rap. I give that dude credit for coming up with such an awesome design. Back in the day you could find good help to manufacturer and assemble your product. Nowadays, you can't find anything but "shit for brains" employees and Mexicans to work for you. All they want to do is play with their frickin' cell phones. I hope someone else comes up with something new, but in the meantime all you pussys can kiss my ass.
Minx
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pornstarr
Dec 2, 2007, 3:27 PM
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not sure anyone is claiming that other gear companies always make perfect gear.
what they are claiming is that they trust gear from other companies to a much greater extent at this point.
i think i can understand that, garage or not.
a little pro-activity goes a long way.
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InsolentMinx
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My old man and I have climbed all over Europe and Africa and we have seen 70 year old men with the most wretched looking equipment you can imagine hanging out on routes that I wouldn't even touch. They see aliens hanging on your rack and they want to buy them from you right now for any price, it doesn't matter. They have a totally different perspective on climbing over there. Here in the states, people start whining when they spill coffee on their new Patagonia pullover. Give me a break.
Minx
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curt
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InsolentMinx wrote: Big deal. You wait until all these manufacturers start making cams by the thousand just like cch was doing back in their heyday.
Do you actually believe that CCH ever manufactured as many cams as either Wild Country or BD?
InsolentMinx wrote: ...You place a cam or any pro for that matter in a crack and you assume the risk just like cars and guns...
True. But, just as with cars and guns, they can't be grossly defective. Remember the Ford Pinto gas tank lawsuit or the Firestone radial tire lawsuit? Most people here who have posted negative comments about CCH cams used to be big fans of them--until the company pretty much proved beyond any doubt that they were no longer capable of producing a reliable product.
InsolentMinx wrote: ...I don't give a shit how many photos and stats you post on the internet...
Yeah, facts are a bitch...
InsolentMinx wrote: you'r all a bunch of punks for believing that shit and then acting like frickin' crusaders wanting to lynch someone over it...
Whereas you're simply a moron.
Curt
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billcoe_
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billcoe_ wrote: BTW, I know a guy how once put a single round in a revolver, spun it, put the metal to his head and squeezed the trigger with the barrel right at his temple. Turns out that the bullet was in another chamber and he didn't blow his brains out. It worked out fine for him. So based on that, I'm sure you'll be OK as well. Congratulations.
Here ya go Minx.
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InsolentMinx
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curt wrote: InsolentMinx wrote: Big deal. You wait until all these manufacturers start making cams by the thousand just like cch was doing back in their heyday. Do you actually believe that CCH ever manufactured as many cams as either Wild Country or BD? InsolentMinx wrote: ...You place a cam or any pro for that matter in a crack and you assume the risk just like cars and guns... True. But, just as with cars and guns, they can't be grossly defective. Remember the Ford Pinto gas tank lawsuit or the Firestone radial tire lawsuit? Most people here who have posted negative comments about CCH cams used to be big fans of them--until the company pretty much proved beyond any doubt that they were no longer capable of producing a reliable product. InsolentMinx wrote: ...I don't give a shit how many photos and stats you post on the internet... Yeah, facts are a bitch... InsolentMinx wrote: you'r all a bunch of punks for believing that shit and then acting like frickin' crusaders wanting to lynch someone over it... Whereas you're simply a moron. Curt
So do you really believe that CCH is incapable of ever producing a good product again? I just purchased complete sets of all their aliens and sent them to our consultants who x-ray pipeline welds just to see. Everyone of them came back good. Then I had them tested on a strain gauge just to see what they would fail at. Every single one broke at the head or the axle well above their rating. The larger ones broke at more than double their rating.
Yea, I remember the Pinto, the Yugo and the Firestone tire. Those were design flaws. Aliens don't have a design flaw they have an assembly flaw. That dude deserves to loose his ass for pushing his product in the name of more money and cheap labor. All these big name companies now have top of the line QA/QC to prevent that and produce a wide variety of products. CCH only makes aliens and should have known better than to risk their reputation by pushing their product. It's their own damn fault and now they may never be able to recover from it. In the meantime, I will still buy aliens and send to my consultants for inspection before I climb on them.
Minx
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