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carabiner96
Mar 31, 2008, 7:57 PM
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So we got a few mastercams in the shop, and I am in love. I withheld judgement until I held them in my hands, but I can now say, mommy likes.
We only got in sized 4-6 though. I'm going to get a bunch (no doubles) and I think on my budget I can get four or five, MAAYBE 6 of them.
I'm thinking of not getting 5 and 6, because their range seems not far off from a .5 - .75 C4 which I have doubles of.
I'm also thinking of passing on the 00 as just beig too small for my needs right now, my needs being crack climbs to about 5.10 and a general good rack for squamish come august.
So that leaves me getting the 0,1,2,3, and 4. Which I can buy and still have pennies left over for ramen. I think between that and my double rack of c4's I should be good (of course a smathering of nuts, as well.)
Thoughts? Criticism?
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8flood8
Mar 31, 2008, 8:03 PM
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as long as you've gotten your fill of nuts... and you don't want to climb any offwidths there will be a TON of stuff for you to play on in squamish!
what else do you have in the range of small cams?
(besides your doubles of .5 and .75)
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no_email_entered
Mar 31, 2008, 8:06 PM
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uh, question?
sounds like you're set mom. i've almost pulled the trigger on them, but with with all my old tech friends, TCUs, FCUs, C3s and C4s still workin fine i'm not feelin the gear whore thrust----
----yet
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justroberto
Mar 31, 2008, 8:17 PM
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Also, the #4 master cam falls entirely within the range of the purple C4, so you might want to rethink that if you've already got doubles...
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basilisk
Mar 31, 2008, 8:19 PM
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Sell your C4 doubles!
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carabiner96
Mar 31, 2008, 8:19 PM
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8flood8 wrote: what else do you have in the range of small cams? (besides your doubles of .5 and .75)
i guess i should have mentioned that I don't have any true small cams yet. I hae doubles down to .5, and a single .4 and .3.
I love nuts, yes, but sometimes its nice to plug in a cam in a real thrutch.
i guess my real question was on th 00 and 0 mastercam, i know the smaller C3's say their only for aiding, but i couldn't find any similar info for the m-cams.
I'm trying to NOT buy the whole set. I'm pretty confident about not getting the 5 and 6, but because I haven't seen the smaller ones (but want to order ASAP) I want to know what people thnk!
hah, and no OW's, thanks....but maybe ;)
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carabiner96
Mar 31, 2008, 8:21 PM
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basilisk wrote: Sell your C4 doubles
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billcoe_
Mar 31, 2008, 10:14 PM
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irregularpanda wrote: The only metolius cams I like are the TCU's. Maybe it's my fat-ass knuckles, but could somebody please explain to me why you like metolius cams.
yOU NEED TO WRAP YOUR PHAT KNUCKLES AROUND THESE MASTER CAMS, THEY RULE!
cARABINER: YOU MIGHT (opps caps lock) try the 1,2,3, and see how the #4 stacks up to your other cams. It's what I bought, I might get the 4 now as well.
On the rock, the compare very favorably to Aliens, IMO, very!
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8flood8
Mar 31, 2008, 11:17 PM
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skip the double zero
and get the 5 or 6. i'd say, and then take your friend and your friends rack to utah on the way back.
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carabiner96
Mar 31, 2008, 11:43 PM
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My order form reads 1 2 3 4 right now. It's about all I can reponsibly afford, and if i MUST HAVE a certain size I can always order again, I guess.
I'll be reporting back soon as I get my next paycheck!
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vegastradguy
Apr 1, 2008, 12:06 AM
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interestingly, the #5 is between the .75 and #1 C4, and the #6 is pretty much the same as the #1 C4.
if i were going to buy them based on size alone- i'd probably skip the #4 (red) and get the #5 instead. the #4 is really close to the .75, but not quite as big....but not really in between the .5 and .75, either.....
also, the #3 (orange), is super close to the .5 C4- just fyi.
all of that said, this comment in no way reflects any opinion i have of the cams- i'm reserving that for the review (which i hope to have up by monday next week!)
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irregularpanda
Apr 1, 2008, 12:17 AM
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vegastradguy wrote: interestingly, the #5 is between the .75 and #1 C4, and the #6 is pretty much the same as the #1 C4. if i were going to buy them based on size alone- i'd probably skip the #4 (red) and get the #5 instead. the #4 is really close to the .75, but not quite as big....but not really in between the .5 and .75, either..... also, the #3 (orange), is super close to the .5 C4- just fyi. all of that said, this comment in no way reflects any opinion i have of the cams- i'm reserving that for the review (which i hope to have up by monday next week!)
I would agree. It depends on whether you want doubles of .5 and .75 (or triples rather) Personally, I love .75 and have triples of that size, which is one reason why I don't need any more gear.
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boadman
Apr 1, 2008, 12:29 AM
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Aliens still go in easier. I don't particularly care for the metolius cam angle. If you're determined to get some though, I would suggest that the only ones you really need are the green, yellow, and red alien equivalents. I think that they're blue, yellow, and orange.
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healyje
Apr 1, 2008, 2:46 AM
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boadman wrote: Aliens still go in easier.
What does this mean [to you]?
boadman wrote: I don't particularly care for the metolius cam angle.
That's definitely a personal preference - I much prefer their cam angle myself.
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moose_droppings
Apr 1, 2008, 2:58 AM
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carabiner96 wrote: Any word on how small the 0 or 00 actually are?
There the same size and strengths as the rest of the Mets.
http://www.metoliusclimbing.com/master_cam.htm
edited to add:
If more positive posts keep coming in from actual users of them, I'm planing on getting the 1-4. I've got the 00 and 0 TCU's for aiding and might end up getting the MC's in these sizes later. In the 5 and up sizes, narrow heads aren't a big necessity around here . I've got single stem Trangos in that size and up to the 8, not to mention the power cams too.
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wmfork
Apr 1, 2008, 3:20 AM
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healyje wrote: boadman wrote: Aliens still go in easier. What does this mean [to you]?
Not sure what boadman means, but I've found that, for the same size cams, aliens do tend to slide into the crack easier/faster (still, I don't own aliens). This is just an empirical observation. My only theory is that the floppy stem is what helps...
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CaptainPolution
Apr 1, 2008, 4:19 AM
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carabiner96 wrote: So we got a few mastercams in the shop, and I am in love. I withheld judgement until I held them in my hands, but I can now say, mommy likes. We only got in sized 4-6 though. I'm going to get a bunch (no doubles) and I think on my budget I can get four or five, MAAYBE 6 of them. I'm thinking of not getting 5 and 6, because their range seems not far off from a .5 - .75 C4 which I have doubles of. I'm also thinking of passing on the 00 as just beig too small for my needs right now, my needs being crack climbs to about 5.10 and a general good rack for squamish come august. So that leaves me getting the 0,1,2,3, and 4. Which I can buy and still have pennies left over for ramen. I think between that and my double rack of c4's I should be good (of course a smathering of nuts, as well.) Thoughts? Criticism?
have you used them yet? you cant say jack till you've used them. you have no idea how uncool these things are until you have used them. a knife looks cool but it suddenly turns uncool when you stab somebody.
everyone of you people who want the mastercam(omg bbq so koool!!!!!!1111) should think twice.
get the zeros or buy some damn aliens
n00bs
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CaptainPolution
Apr 1, 2008, 4:22 AM
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carabiner96 wrote: My order form reads 1 2 3 4 right now. It's about all I can reponsibly afford, and if i MUST HAVE a certain size I can always order again, I guess. I'll be reporting back soon as I get my next paycheck!
wow, good for you. waste all of your money on some first gen. piece of crap. keep on truckin!
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