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grandwall
Oct 30, 2002, 10:06 PM
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ya, if you hollow it out, move it, and anchor it down it will be totally 'stable'. even petsfed will be able to climb on it without getting hurt.
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knotrocket
Oct 30, 2002, 10:09 PM
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If you can lift it high enough, when you drop the sumbitch it'll settle like a mofo.
In all seriousness, it can be done. I move boulders all the time when my hairy beanbag needs adjustment...
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lox
Oct 30, 2002, 10:23 PM
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Oh yeah... hollow it out...
This plan keeps getting better and better.
Just have some manmade ones built for you and sprinkle them in and around the God-made ones... if you have that kinda of money, you could create a Bolder Garden.
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fielding_s
Oct 30, 2002, 10:44 PM
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knotrocket: damn right. them rocks 're heavy enough anyway not to roll over while yer hangin off 'em, unless ya try to balance them on a bulge on a hill or somethin stupid like that.
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offwidthclimber
Oct 30, 2002, 10:56 PM
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jesus...
if you're actually still debating such a hypothetically impossible and retarded issue, please unplug your internet connection and step away. better yet, go bouldering!
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lox
Oct 30, 2002, 10:58 PM
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Better yet, ELISE THE U !!!111
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john1987
Oct 30, 2002, 11:07 PM
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That is a really dumb idea. But just look at winkwinklambonini profile picture he is obviously stoned. lol
John
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mtnsprts
Oct 31, 2002, 12:00 AM
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Cool concept, sounds like it might require some serious research and funding.
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boulderingmadman
Oct 31, 2002, 12:18 AM
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well if youre gonna hollow the damn things out just to rotate them and have new problems, why dont you just take a f---ing chisle and CREATE your own problems every few weeks. start with a giant boulder like the grandma peabody and end up with a crushed stone backyard...i develope less and less respect for you as this conversation continues...
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winkwinklambonini
Oct 31, 2002, 12:26 AM
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Ah jeaz don't say that. I think it's a great idea.
By the way, if it ever happens, I will only allow climbers who have a sense of humor on my property.
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grandwall
Oct 31, 2002, 12:33 AM
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for sure... boulderingmadman and petsfed will not be allowed on my boulder or any boulders that I rotate
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winkwinklambonini
Oct 31, 2002, 1:11 AM
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Yeah,
I got a boulder they can rotate on
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petsfed
Oct 31, 2002, 1:17 AM
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Oh right, its a joke, right? I'm a little slow about this whole "humor" thing. That and I don't boulder that much. So you won't have to deal with me smirking at the joke that everybody but me gets, because I won't be there.
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josher
Oct 31, 2002, 1:28 AM
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To clerify;
You are not talking about rotating them, but tilting them, changing the angle of the rock, correct?
Rotating them changes nothing except there aspect (direction)
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winkwinklambonini
Oct 31, 2002, 4:38 AM
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Well originaly I was talking about rolling, but someone came up with the idea of spinning them to point them north or south. either way
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boulderingmadman
Oct 31, 2002, 7:51 PM
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so then, i can come climb on youre hollowed out, rotated and directionally challenged boulders?? you see i DO have a sense of humor...the difference is, mines good, and yours is, well....
tell you what...you rotate your boulders around every 5-10 years. ill stay where i am and locate NEW boulders every 5-10 weeks....
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grandwall
Oct 31, 2002, 8:29 PM
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josher: "Rotating them changes nothing except there(their) aspect (direction)". Actually I'm talking about rotating them to change their angle, therefore, I will not be performing a full rotation of the boulder, just a partial rotation.
madman: I like to find new boulders as well. Actually, finding new boulders to climb is the part of the sport that I like the most. The boulder that I would want to rotate would be one that I had (if I had one) in my backyard in order to change the angle of it. I am not joking here, I am dead serious. If I only have 1 hour to climb and have already climbed all possible routes on a boulder, came up with sit-downs, eliminates, etc. and need a new challenge, I would rather change up the boulder that's outside my back door instead of go to the indoor gym.
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winkwinklambonini
Oct 31, 2002, 11:33 PM
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I think pitch, roll, and yaw should become part of bouldering lingo.
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meataxe
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A hydraulically operated boulder would give the most options in the least space. A hollowed-out boulder (sort of like a granite jack-o-lantern) should be light enough to mount on hydraulic rams.
This would be great for training -- if you can't quite make it, just ease off the angle. Every day, you make it just a little steeper until you have no problem.
Also, if you have a beginner coming over to your estate, just head over the the control pod and set the difficulty a few notches easier.
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aireq
Nov 1, 2002, 2:12 AM
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I think this conversation is futile with out having a specific bolder to talk about. there can very well be a huge bolder that can be rolled into a new position and be just as stable then before. Just as one could be impossible to move, and or unstable after moving.
I saw a show on this group of scientists who tried to figure out how the heads at easter island were drug all the way across the island and then pushed up on end.
The solution they came up with to stand the heads up involved a rope being pulled by a line of people. As the sculpture tilted up slightly rocks were placed under it. Inch by inch they were able to tilt these giant scuptures from horizontal to vertial. The scientist were able to get this method to actualy work.
Or consider the pyramids and the size of the blocks people were able to move and lift by hand. There are many other examples where very primitive people used their inginuity to move extremly heavy objects.
Another point is that you do not have to LIFT 5 tons, to roll something that weighs 5 tons. The ground still supports some of the weight. In an extreem case, if you have a perfectly round bolder, you wouldn't have to lift any of the weight. THe center of mass would always be above the point of contact with the ground.
So I think it is entirely possible to move/rotate very large bolders. However, with out a specific bolder to talk about we can't say that all bolders are going to be unstable after rotating, or all bolders are impossible to move. Obviously some are, and some aren't. It depends on the bolder.
eric
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josher
Nov 1, 2002, 3:13 AM
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heres' an example ..
about 8' tall, 6' wide (on my property).
To change the angle of a slabby/rampy side (not pictured) I thought about digging a shallow hole just under one side, about ½ way underneith, and using come-alongs and leverage, roll it down into into the hole (few inches should change the angle enough). I havent tried this yet because there is still ample climbing on it. We'll see what happens once I get bored with it in a few years.
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blackboard
Nov 1, 2002, 10:15 AM
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All this talk of rotating and hollowed out boulders got me thinking of a cylindrical woodie mounted on an axle.
Just think, depending on your weight and speed vs the static inertia of the beast, you can either scramble to the top before it starts rolling too fast, or work a roof problem for all of eternity!
I'd call it Son of Sisyphus!
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boulderingmadman
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dont you think it would be easier to sculpt or create a fake rock that is already on a hydraulic lift system that can be rotated and maitain its stability?? instead of trying to rotate a real boulder by un-real means, just contract a cement sculptor to make some rocks for you...problem solved.
as for easter island and pyramids...there is a HUGE difference between 5 tons and 50 tons. the boulder in the picture above is AT LEAST 20 tons...got milk?
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jgill
Nov 2, 2002, 5:05 AM
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No one has mentioned that some boulders have roots! To attempt to rotate them may tear this precious conduit from Mother Earth and destroy a lovely, vibrant living rock ... what is left is but a hollow shell, a thing of no substance. Think! before you act. Future generations depend upon your wisdom.
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lilred
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Here here!!! I second that John...
Also, where are the asthetics in climbing FAKE rock??? How can you get any pleasure out of that?
You guys need to get out and explore a bit more...
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