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Skidemon27
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this might be a stupid question but here it goes...... is it safe to rappel with a grirgi???????? cause im ooking for a quick locking rappel device to hang on the rope to take photos of my buddys climbing
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j_ung
Aug 28, 2008, 1:49 PM
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Yes, it is, but don't expect it to feel the same as rappelling with a tube-style device.
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Skidemon27
Aug 28, 2008, 1:53 PM
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wat do u mean? that there will be more drag on the rope because of the device???
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chossmonkey
Aug 28, 2008, 1:59 PM
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It is just different. Once you get the hang of it you should be able to rap smoothly, until then it might be a little jerky.
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Aug 28, 2008, 2:07 PM
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Yes, of course it is safe, assuming you set it up correctly. If you are going to be hanging for a while and not holding the rope with your hands, I suggest that you tie a stopper knot (something simple, like an overhand on a bight, or figure 8 on a bight) in the rope a foot or two below your gri-gri when you decide to stop and hang. It will prevent you from sliding too far down if you accidently hook the gri-gri lever and pull it ( e.g. by hooking a camera starp on it and pulling) Unlikely scenario, but it happened once to my friend-- some sort of a strap got hooked around the lever, she didn't realize it and in trying to free it she yanked hard, opening the cam.
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GeneralZon
Aug 28, 2008, 2:10 PM
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Also, don't rely on the lever for your braking/controlling descent. You still need to control the rope with your brake hand at all times. Except of course when the device is cammed and you are taking a picture. You can always back it up by using a prusik too.
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Gmburns2000
Aug 28, 2008, 2:14 PM
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lena_chita wrote: Yes, of course it is safe, assuming you set it up correctly. If you are going to be hanging for a while and not holding the rope with your hands, I suggest that you tie a stopper knot (something simple, like an overhand on a bight, or figure 8 on a bight) in the rope a foot or two below your gri-gri when you decide to stop and hang. It will prevent you from sliding too far down if you accidently hook the gri-gri lever and pull it ( e.g. by hooking a camera starp on it and pulling) Unlikely scenario, but it happened once to my friend-- some sort of a strap got hooked around the lever, she didn't realize it and in trying to free it she yanked hard, opening the cam. This is good advice, but it is also so because GriGris can slip without touching the brake. I know this because it has happened to me before, and it was loaded correctly.
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cantbuymefriends
Aug 28, 2008, 2:22 PM
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Skidemon27 wrote: this might be a stupid question but here it goes...... is it safe to rappel with a grirgi???????? cause im ooking for a quick locking rappel device to hang on the rope to take photos of my buddys climbing Read The Frigging Manual... You should've got one with your purchase, otherwise, you can find it here http://en.petzl.com/.../GRIGRI_D14601-I.pdf , (pdf, about 2 MB, check page 6!)
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crimpandgo
Aug 28, 2008, 2:49 PM
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cantbuymefriends wrote: Skidemon27 wrote: this might be a stupid question but here it goes...... is it safe to rappel with a grirgi???????? cause im ooking for a quick locking rappel device to hang on the rope to take photos of my buddys climbing Read The Frigging Manual... You should've got one with your purchase, otherwise, you can find it here http://en.petzl.com/.../GRIGRI_D14601-I.pdf , (pdf, about 2 MB, check page 6!) little grumpy this morning ehh?? maybe the OP is lookin for advice and not instructions?? just a thought?
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majid_sabet
Aug 28, 2008, 4:18 PM
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Skidemon27 wrote: this might be a stupid question but here it goes...... is it safe to rappel with a grirgi???????? cause im ooking for a quick locking rappel device to hang on the rope to take photos of my buddys climbing Do not use it for rappelling.
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patmay81
Aug 28, 2008, 4:37 PM
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Ive used mine for 6 years now for rappelling, fixed rope solo, lead solo, and belaying. I haven't died yet, so obviously its perfectly safe!
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flipnfall
Aug 28, 2008, 4:40 PM
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It's a perfect device for what you're talking about. I'd totally use one for climbing photography. I may (or may not) still wrap the rope around my leg at least once just as a backup to the breacking hand, but your idea to use a Gri-Gri for climbing photography is a great one. Have fun! GT
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Valarc
Aug 28, 2008, 4:43 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: Do not use it for rappelling. Do not listen to Majid
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GeneralZon
Aug 28, 2008, 4:59 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: Skidemon27 wrote: this might be a stupid question but here it goes...... is it safe to rappel with a grirgi???????? cause im ooking for a quick locking rappel device to hang on the rope to take photos of my buddys climbing Do not use it for rappelling. What is your reasoning Majid? Rope damage due to cam pinching the rope? Just curious. I don't use mine often for this task, but I have used it for cleaning routes on single rope.
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majid_sabet
Aug 28, 2008, 5:01 PM
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Do not use it for rappelling Do not use it for rappelling Do not use it for rappelling Do not use it for rappelling
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GeneralZon
Aug 28, 2008, 5:08 PM
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So I am confused... from the Petzl Gri-Gri Manual? Diagram 8. Rappeling This device provides maximum security for rappels up to 50 m. Longer descents are not advised (risk of device overheating). Rope insertion is done in the same manner: put the fixed end of the rope on the climber’s side as engraved on the device. - The GRIGRI is an autolock, but for maximum safety, when holding the handle, you must never let go of the free end of the rope. To descend, first take a firm grip on the free end of the rope. Then, pull gently on the handle to free the rope. Braking and descent control are effected by loosening or tightening the grip of one hand on the free end of the rope. In order to stop, simply release the handle. - For additional braking, pass the free end of the rope through a braking carabiner. - To rappel on one rope and recover it afterwards, see the diagram. Caution: descend on the correct rope or there is danger of death! Do not forget to tie a stopper knot in the correct end of the rope before you descend.
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majid_sabet
Aug 28, 2008, 5:11 PM
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GeneralZon wrote: So I am confused... from the Petzl Gri-Gri Manual? Diagram 8. Rappeling This device provides maximum security for rappels up to 50 m. Longer descents are not advised (risk of device overheating). Rope insertion is done in the same manner: put the fixed end of the rope on the climber’s side as engraved on the device. - The GRIGRI is an autolock, but for maximum safety, when holding the handle, you must never let go of the free end of the rope. To descend, first take a firm grip on the free end of the rope. Then, pull gently on the handle to free the rope. Braking and descent control are effected by loosening or tightening the grip of one hand on the free end of the rope. In order to stop, simply release the handle. - For additional braking, pass the free end of the rope through a braking carabiner. - To rappel on one rope and recover it afterwards, see the diagram. Caution: descend on the correct rope or there is danger of death! Do not forget to tie a stopper knot in the correct end of the rope before you descend. I am telling you Do not use it for rapping
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GeneralZon
Aug 28, 2008, 5:19 PM
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Majid, I have read many of your posts and I appreciate your depth of knowledge and insight, but that is completely opposite of what the manufacturer states in their user's manual. Ok, I get it. Don't use it for rappelling, but I would like to have a reason, beyond "I told you so" to tell my friends when this occurs in my group. Or better yet, "don't use your GriGri guys to rap, Majid on a RC.com forum told me not to" reply to them.
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carbonrx8
Aug 28, 2008, 5:26 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: GeneralZon wrote: So I am confused... from the Petzl Gri-Gri Manual? Diagram 8. Rappeling This device provides maximum security for rappels up to 50 m. Longer descents are not advised (risk of device overheating). Rope insertion is done in the same manner: put the fixed end of the rope on the climber’s side as engraved on the device. - The GRIGRI is an autolock, but for maximum safety, when holding the handle, you must never let go of the free end of the rope. To descend, first take a firm grip on the free end of the rope. Then, pull gently on the handle to free the rope. Braking and descent control are effected by loosening or tightening the grip of one hand on the free end of the rope. In order to stop, simply release the handle. - For additional braking, pass the free end of the rope through a braking carabiner. - To rappel on one rope and recover it afterwards, see the diagram. Caution: descend on the correct rope or there is danger of death! Do not forget to tie a stopper knot in the correct end of the rope before you descend. I am telling you Do not use it for rapping You are such a fucking ass. I am going out this after noon in the fucking rain just so I can fucking rap on my fucking gri-gri just because you fucking said not to, you fucking twit.
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patmay81
Aug 28, 2008, 5:40 PM
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GeneralZon wrote: I would like to have a reason, beyond "I told you so" to tell my friends when this occurs in my group. Or better yet, "don't use your GriGri guys to rap, Majid on a RC.com forum told me not to" reply to them. I always assumed that if Majid said not to do it, it would probably still be ok. Since his only reason is "dont do it" and the manufacturer says "do it", i'd say this is another time where he is grossly incorrect.
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md3
Aug 28, 2008, 5:46 PM
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It works great, but I have glazed the sheath on a fat rope doing longer raps in hot weather.
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patmay81
Aug 28, 2008, 5:51 PM
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but you could just as easily glaze a rope using some of the more aggressive slot devices too. The only advantage over a slot device is you can easily tell how fast it is heating up.
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