So if I use the *pulley / reversed toothed ascender* that everyone suggests, then I'm down to one ascender to jug back up the line.

Thx for the ideas in advance, this post so far has surpassed my expectations.... ;)

Anyway, aren't you hauling when you get back up to the anchor? And then you have both ascenders with you.

Hey Skiclimb:

Could be because I only climb overhanging routes? Haven't hauled much of a slab in awhile.

Plus, are you squat-hauling or running down the wall backwards?

What aspect of the hauling did you notice to be improved? That might help to sort out the differences.

I totally love the sterling superstatic, it has just enough stretch not to kill you (maybe) if you dump your pigs, but is still pretty static. Can't lead on it tho.

Still, for the safety and versatility, I'll take a slightly less fun haul, most likely.

Love to hear your thoughts on your experience.

-Kate.

Yup, you're right, I am hauling when I get back to the anchor and I will have two ascenders then. But prior to that.... as soon as I get to my high anchor I have to secure the pig to that anchor. If I simply tie it off (say, with a figure 8 knot) to the anchor, I will have a difficult time once the pig has been weighted to that knot to set up any time of hauling system when I return to the high anchor.

Wouldn't that entail hauling it up a few meters, lock that height off with a prusik / munter / mule concept, undo the fig 8 knot behind that setup, install a pulley system, then go from there?

Using a gri-gri to tighten a slackline once, it became apparent that the gri-gri was being overloaded, and in fact, the sever angle of the cam led to the device cutting through a bit of the rope's sheath (it was static). under that load, it was also impossible to release tension with the lever. even after we cut the rope, the cam had bit into the rope so hard, that it took ten minutes to pop it out.

as soon as I get to my high anchor I have to secure the pig to that anchor. If I simply tie it off (say, with a figure 8 knot) to the anchor, I will have a difficult time once the pig has been weighted to that knot to set up any time of hauling system when I return to the high anchor. Wouldn't that entail hauling it up a few meters, lock that height off with a prusik / munter / mule concept, undo the fig 8 knot behind that setup, install a pulley system, then go from there?

I don't see why you ever need to undo that knot until you're ready to take off for the next pitch. In the meantime, it serves as an "oh shit" backup, in the worst case scenario that you mightily screw up as you're hauling, and drop the pig. Then you'll be happy it's still tied in (on a dynamic line).

But I could be missing something about your system?

Clip your compound pulley to the hauling PP...with the rope set up to haul.

back up top, set up haul system on slack side of load releasable knot (mariners prob won't work ,use munter/mule), undo knot and let weight come onto pully system.

What did I miss?

A compound pulley is a pulley that has a "brake" or "cam" as part of the design. The wall hauler was the first. Now you have the traxion's the kong block roll etc.

With the limited gear I have I'm simply trying to come up with an innovative solution that is a) quick to set up, and b) doesn't require an extensive amount of energy to haul (which is why i was surprised when someone said they have never heard of a 3:1 pulley system used in hauling operations. Why wouldn't you want mechanical advantage working for you and making your job easier??)

Anyone else's head spinning? I think I need a stiff drink...

For future trips I will invest in the gear, but for this trip I'm looking to know if this inverted grigri can substitute for these magical devices, or am i going to be suffering in even-more-misery-than-normal-while-hauling for those two days.

Keep the ideas coming... I'm having fun figuring out solutions to my low budget fiascos.

You still stood there screaming
No one caring about these words you tell
My friend before your voice is gone
One mans fun is anothers hell
These times are sent to try mens souls
But somethings wrong with all you see
You youll take it on all yourself
Remember, misery loves company

Misery
You insist that the weight of the world
Should be on your shoulders
Misery
Theres much more to life than what you see
My friend of misery

or you need a fairly simple (but no where near as simple as a straight haul) pulley system which is going to need to be reset after each "stroke".

Agreed, it's more complicated, but at first I had thought that working smarter would have meant not working harder. And (what I had thought) the brilliance of inverting the Grigri meant I wouldn't have to mind any prussiks, or reset anything after each stroke (both physical and cerebral). In fact, all I have to do is pull, reach down the line, repeat - the Grigri locks automatically and does all the reseting for me.

Or, when I get tired of pulling, I could even take my second ascender, invert it and attach it to the haul line at the end of the z-pulley, tether it to my harness, and begin doing squats until the pig arrives at the station.

OR... maybe I should just shut the heck up and try a bunch of these while I'm out there. I suppose it all comes down to the fact that I really don't know how much weight it takes to make space hauling uncomfortable (correction, more uncomfortable) to the point where you want to try a more complicated system.

Oh, and thx for the suggestion about tethering the first inverted ascender to the anchor. I did, actually, lose it the first time while practicing....

*cough* noob *cough* *cough*

A compound pulley is a pulley that has a "brake" or "cam" as part of the design.

Pete Z. once tried to assert this same "compound" terminology, which is false. A compound pulley employs multiple sheaves. I call the kind with a ratcheting jaw a "ratcheting pulley" for lack of something more descriptive.

Cheers.