Though I agree that the information should not have been removed in the first place, I don't think this is the right way.

I appreciate your effort, Bryan...but I think it's in bad taste.

I appreciate your effort, Bryan...but I think it's in bad taste.

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Bryan, a suggestion:

a) delete this post and save off the information somewhere else outside of RC.com (trivial cost to you);

b) let the other related threads run their course (trivial cost to you);

c) let RC.com mgmt digest this whole thing; say, give them two weeks after the related threads no longer make the front page (trivial cost to you);

d) ask RC.com mgmt to decide if this should be reposted; or if you really don't want to do that then decide yourself if you must. (trivial cost to you)

There really is no urgency to having this information back on RC.com right now.

Bill L

That is fair enough brother, and I don't entirely disagree with you. I've discussed it with Aric via PM and he understands that, for my part, it is not personal.

This deserves emphasis.

This deserves emphasis.

I would be lying if I were to say there wasn't at least some degree of anger and vindictiveness to to; there most certainly is. But I'm no more and no less human than the rest of you so before you condemn me for it put yourself in my place and ask what you would have done.

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Given that even after 2.5 years have passed since the CCH fiasco I still check 4 climbing sites daily (RC, ST, MP, Gunks, with occasional stops at CC, NEIce, SP) to make sure that people know about the possible issues with Aliens I think my dedication to the community at large is beyond question. While some of you have small amounts of money involved in that testing, I have years of my life tied up in it and don't begrudge it one bit. Although I will say I get a tad annoyed when I get a PM saying you want your $50 back because I've removed the Alien Test Results from RC, when clearly the report (which contains everything of importance from all the threads on all of the sites I monitored) is still available not only through the OP of the original thread here on RC but also through the link in my sig right here in this post. Yes, <name withheld>, I'm looking at you. And don't think I've not noticed that you chose not to reply to my PM offering to send you the remains of the 2 Aliens that your $50 bought if you would only cover the shipping. As mentioned earlier, your precious data is all still only a mouse click away and there's no need to falsely imply that your donation was in any way, shape or form commensurate with the hundreds of hours of my own time that I spent on that project for the good of the climbing community.

Do I realize that came out harshly? Absolutely. And on top of it I think the harshness is deserved. The moment anyone can find me someone else who would give so freely of their time, energy and money as I have for the monumental project that Aliengate was for the sole purpose of keeping people they've never met safe then perhaps I'll be more understanding of <name withheld>'s position. But until then they'll get no sympathy from me.

Aric: If you want me to delete this post, then refund _billcoe his $50. I doubt he's interested in your pathetic offer to mail him the remains of his gear, provided that he reimburses you for the postage.

Following from that I've chosen to not allow my content to continue to provide a revenue stream for NameMedia (who I'm still not sure owns RC as I have not heard back from DDT on that point).

Alright folks, I've deleted the PDF's linked in the OP of this thread. Aric has in fact been as understanding about my actions thus far as someone in his position could be expected to be. I personally feel that the point has been made and that I have gained as much as could possibly be gained towards my ultimate goal of raising the issue of how content is managed on this site. Inlight of that, and the fact that the work will be made available in a much less fucked up format later on, I have decided the right thing to do is remove the information. The posts themselves will remain.

Sad to see RC.com being used for blackmail, and over something so small.

To quote someone else: one can tell the calibar of a man by the calibar of his problems.

Bill L

Blackmail? OK. Let's try this instead. Aric, I won't delete my post under any circumstances. Just do the right thing and refund Bill's money. Surely, you're a bigger man than the above quote suggests.

Jay

...Following from that I've chosen to not allow my content to continue to provide a revenue stream for NameMedia (who I'm still not sure owns RC as I have not heard back from DDT on that point). I would be lying if I were to say there wasn't at least some degree of anger and vindictiveness to to; there most certainly is...

Since I've been in your place, having devoted hundreds of hours working for the betterment of the site, and then been fired from my "position" as Senior Moderator, that's truly a no-brainier: I wouldn't, and in fact didn't, remove any of my content from the site.

Jay

Well you've certainly shown them, haven't you?