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jt512
Sep 12, 2010, 5:41 PM
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jaablink wrote: The body burns something like 2500 to 3000 calories during a 26 mile marathon run. Diet trumps exercise…. Those two sentences totally contradict each other. Jay
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jt512
Sep 12, 2010, 5:45 PM
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camhead wrote: [T]he real challenge is when your training requires additional calories. If you are trying to build lean muscle mass climbing, you don't just need to cut 150 calories from your diet; you need to increase the amount of lean protein that you consume. And for that, there is "How to Lose Weight to Improve Your Climbing." Jay
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jt512
Sep 12, 2010, 6:01 PM
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jaablink wrote: Body movement is very efficient, because of this it takes allot to burn off ones stored reserves. A good diet will get you there faster than exercise alone . Recognizing the right windows of when and when not to eat, eating smaller portions more times a day instead of large meals few times a day, and loosing 150c a day by taking a smaller portion or loosing all together that bag of chips, candy bar , or can of soda, you will get the desired results . I also cycle, avg. 200 miles a week. I am entered in a century for charity next Sunday where I will do my best to use as much mechanical advantage to keep the rpm at a constant and conserve as much energy as possible. Cycling is to help keep me in good cardio shape. Proper diet relative to activity, environment, and individuals' goals, keeps your weight where you want it. Diet still trumps exercise. You just did it again! You're burning 4–5 thousand calories per week cycling and saying that that is trumped by 1,050 calories per week from a daily dietary caloric deficit of 150 calories. WTF! Jay
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jomagam
Sep 12, 2010, 8:38 PM
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This is not going to be as scientific as other replies, but my experience is that climbing outside for a whole day is a great way to burn some calories. Maybe more importantly you'll eat less than usual that day because climbing will keep you occupied and you'll be so tired by night that you'll only have a small dinner. Say 500 extra calories burned (most of which is probably during the hike in and out) and 800 less consumed, to pull numbers out of my ass, will lose 1/3rd of a pound for that day. Just don't overeat the next day and you're good.
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jaablink
Sep 12, 2010, 9:16 PM
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The activity is a constant. The calorie intake is …lets say 10,000 a week to maintain 150lbs. Do you believe that you need to take in more calories to loose weight?
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jt512
Sep 12, 2010, 9:31 PM
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jaablink wrote: The activity is a constant. The calorie intake is …lets say 10,000 a week to maintain 150lbs. Do you believe that you need to take in more calories to loose weight? Huh?
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jaablink
Sep 12, 2010, 9:47 PM
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So then, what is your problem?
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jt512
Sep 13, 2010, 12:24 AM
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jaablink wrote: So then, what is your problem? I have no idea why you think that diet "trumps" exercise for weight loss—especially when you appose that claim, as you've done twice, with examples of exercise burning more calories than you could ever reduce your diet by. Jay
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jaablink
Sep 13, 2010, 1:11 AM
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Im sure you have no idea about a great many things there Jay.
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subantz
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jaablink wrote: Im sure you have no idea about a great many things there Jay. So true But funny. He will argue diffrently
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jt512
Sep 13, 2010, 2:26 AM
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jaablink wrote: Im sure you have no idea about a great many things there Jay. In spite of the fact that you've been incoherently babbling and contradicting yourself throughout this thread, I have not stooped to insulting you. Too bad you can't do the same. Jay
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subantz
Sep 13, 2010, 2:47 AM
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jt512 wrote: jaablink wrote: Im sure you have no idea about a great many things there Jay. In spite of the fact that you've been incoherently babbling and contradicting yourself throughout this thread, I have not stooped to insulting you. Too bad you can't do the same. Jay This is true. Fact Jay is being nice. Is he on drugs?
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Sep 13, 2010, 10:11 AM
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subantz wrote: jt512 wrote: jaablink wrote: Im sure you have no idea about a great many things there Jay. In spite of the fact that you've been incoherently babbling and contradicting yourself throughout this thread, I have not stooped to insulting you. Too bad you can't do the same. Jay This is true. Fact Jay is being nice. Is he on drugs? Good boy Jay…im proud of you. One thread makes up for years of insulting people. Well… Almost , you insulted someone on the first page. Sometimes you should just keep your big mouth shut. You did not understand my post. So I was just stating fact.. There are a great many things you do not understand…. I wish I had more time to have fun and play with you but I have to head out to work and train. Have a great day Jacquelyn... and, Up the dosage …
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Sep 13, 2010, 1:31 PM
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jt512 wrote: jaablink wrote: Body movement is very efficient, because of this it takes allot to burn off ones stored reserves. A good diet will get you there faster than exercise alone . Recognizing the right windows of when and when not to eat, eating smaller portions more times a day instead of large meals few times a day, and loosing 150c a day by taking a smaller portion or loosing all together that bag of chips, candy bar , or can of soda, you will get the desired results . I also cycle, avg. 200 miles a week. I am entered in a century for charity next Sunday where I will do my best to use as much mechanical advantage to keep the rpm at a constant and conserve as much energy as possible. Cycling is to help keep me in good cardio shape. Proper diet relative to activity, environment, and individuals' goals, keeps your weight where you want it. Diet still trumps exercise. You just did it again! You're burning 4–5 thousand calories per week cycling and saying that that is trumped by 1,050 calories per week from a daily dietary caloric deficit of 150 calories. WTF! Jay Yeah, I don't get why he is so committed to this line of argument, given his lifestyle. Personally, I found upping exercise much more effective than dropping calories when trying to lose significant amounts of weight; this is because I find it easier to make myself work out more than it is to stick to a very restricted diet. Of course the two approaches work best when done in tandem, but that still contradicts any notion of one "trumping" the other.
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dynosore
Sep 13, 2010, 2:54 PM
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I find it's much easier to not eat junkfood than it is to try to burn the calories later. I've always been naturally fit but time is catching up with me, so I ditched all fried foods, eat baked chips instead of regular chips, and drink no more than 12oz of pop per day. I lost 8 lbs and am back under 10%, without adding any exercise. Moral of the story? You don't have to burn off excess calories if you don't consume them in the first place.
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MS1
Sep 13, 2010, 3:11 PM
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dynosore wrote: I find it's much easier to not eat junkfood than it is to try to burn the calories later. I've always been naturally fit but time is catching up with me, so I ditched all fried foods, eat baked chips instead of regular chips, and drink no more than 12oz of pop per day. I lost 8 lbs and am back under 10%, without adding any exercise. Moral of the story? You don't have to burn off excess calories if you don't consume them in the first place. Cool. I lost about 80 pounds while regularly eating donuts and mcdonalds cheeseburgers; the trick for me was a ton of cardio and eliminating sugary beverages. Different strokes, different folks. These days I have made a bunch of dietary improvements, but the goal was shifting to a better muscle to fat ratio rather than dropping weight. And my diet still contains a fair amount of delicious junk (my wife is an awesome baker so it is hard to avoid sweets). I like exercise, and I like food, so I'm happier getting more of both than less of them.
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jt512
Sep 13, 2010, 3:51 PM
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jaablink wrote: subantz wrote: jt512 wrote: jaablink wrote: Im sure you have no idea about a great many things there Jay. In spite of the fact that you've been incoherently babbling and contradicting yourself throughout this thread, I have not stooped to insulting you. Too bad you can't do the same. Jay This is true. Fact Jay is being nice. Is he on drugs? Good boy Jay…im proud of you. One thread makes up for years of insulting people. Well… Almost , you insulted someone on the first page. Sometimes you should just keep your big mouth shut. Between the two of us, one of us has a masters degree in nutrition and the other has been spewing incoherence and contradictions throughout the thread. I'll let the jury decide who should "keep [his] big mouth shut." And, for the record, I did not insult someone on the first page. You're lying.
In reply to: You did not understand my post. Here's a newsflash for you: Rarely does anyone understand anything you post, because, next to Majid, you're the most incoherent poster on the website.
In reply to: There are a great many things you do not understand…. Of course there are many things I don't understand, but don't blame me for not understanding a post you make if you can't express yourself coherently or construct a consistent argument. Jay
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subantz wrote: FUCK THAT SHIT Subantz, sometimes I feel like you are phoning it in. This is one of those times.
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jaablink wrote: I don’t understand what you are saying…?.what i am getting at in short... You need to burn off more than you take in to loose weight. If you take in more than you need the body stores it. Body movement is very efficient, because of this it takes allot to burn off ones stored reserves. A good diet will get you there faster than exercise alone . Recognizing the right windows of when and when not to eat, eating smaller portions more times a day instead of large meals few times a day, and loosing 150c a day by taking a smaller portion or loosing all together that bag of chips, candy bar , or can of soda, you will get the desired results . I also cycle, avg. 200 miles a week. I am entered in a century for charity next Sunday where I will do my best to use as much mechanical advantage to keep the rpm at a constant and conserve as much energy as possible. Cycling is to help keep me in good cardio shape. Proper diet relative to activity, environment, and individuals' goals, keeps your weight where you want it. Diet still trumps exercise. I'm also not following this. You say that you ride 200 miles per week. That's about 1.4 hours per day average (assuming you can ride ~20mph). I'd estimate about 500 Calories per hour riding (several years ago, lab tests for myself yielded 500-1000 Cal per hour. I'm not sure how accurate this value is). So that's over 700 Cal burned every day. How is that less effective than cutting 150 Cal/day out of your diet? Unless the additional exercise causes you to consume more than you otherwise would have...
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Sep 13, 2010, 8:08 PM
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csproul wrote: I'm also not following this. You say that you ride 200 miles per week. That's about 1.4 hours per day average (assuming you can ride ~20mph). I'd estimate about 500 Calories per hour riding (several years ago, lab tests for myself yielded 500-1000 Cal per hour. I'm not sure how accurate this value is). So that's over 700 Cal burned every day. How is that less effective than cutting 150 Cal/day out of your diet? Unless the additional exercise causes you to consume more than you otherwise would have... Careful .. if you disprove his ramblings, he'll return with silly personal attacks. Jay: thanks for both your first post and the link to your PDF explaining the relation of diet, weight-loss and climbing. I found both very informative. jaablink: pull your head out of your ass before you choke on the shit you're spewing.
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