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gosharks
Dec 7, 2010, 1:05 AM
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anarkhos wrote: It dirties the rope because the part that grips the rope is made of aluminum. I would think that was obvious.
In reply to: stainless steel cam and friction plate
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anarkhos
Dec 7, 2010, 1:12 AM
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Well it certainly seems to dirty the rope quicker. Maybe because it rubs against the rounded-off side plate when being lowered.
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joeforte
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adam14113 wrote: grigri all the way. haters gonna hate
He makes a very valid point, although the cinch is still better, just because.
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robinsmv
Dec 7, 2010, 1:17 AM
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anarkhos wrote: It dirties the rope because the part that grips the rope is made of aluminum. I would think that was obvious.
What about aluminum would make a rope dirty? If it does then this means everyone using an aluminum tube device and aluminum biners is making their rope dirty quicker.
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redlude97
Dec 7, 2010, 1:40 AM
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robinsmv wrote: anarkhos wrote: It dirties the rope because the part that grips the rope is made of aluminum. I would think that was obvious. What about aluminum would make a rope dirty? If it does then this means everyone using an aluminum tube device and aluminum biners is making their rope dirty quicker.
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anarkhos
Dec 7, 2010, 2:05 AM
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I suppose it could also come down to how people typically use a GriGri, that being top-roping and hang-dogging (instead of actual climbing) thus grinding away at the anchor biners.
Personal experience YMMV.
Regardless, would still rather be belayed by anything else.
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gosharks
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anarkhos wrote: Regardless, would still rather be belayed by anything else.
I wouldn't let somebody that doesn't know how to properly use a GriGri belay me with one either.
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bill413
Dec 7, 2010, 4:42 AM
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gosharks wrote: anarkhos wrote: Regardless, would still rather be belayed by anything else. I wouldn't let somebody that doesn't know how to properly use a GriGri belay me with one either.
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spikeddem
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hahah. this thread is sooooooooooooo just...ugh. god.
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spikeddem
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bill413 wrote: gosharks wrote: anarkhos wrote: Regardless, would still rather be belayed by anything else. I wouldn't let somebody that doesn't know how to properly use a GriGri belay me with one either. +1
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spikeddem
Dec 7, 2010, 5:16 AM
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spikeddem wrote: bill413 wrote: gosharks wrote: anarkhos wrote: Regardless, would still rather be belayed by anything else. I wouldn't let somebody that doesn't know how to properly use a GriGri belay me with one either. +1 i agree too. Saying something like "would still rather be belayed by anything else [other than a grigri] just shows a very fundamental lack of understanding the device..and...dare i say...belaying?
nah. just the device.
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carabiner96
Dec 7, 2010, 1:27 PM
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anarkhos wrote: It dirties the rope because the part that grips the rope is made of aluminum. I would think that was obvious.
Oh, obvi, bro!
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madscientist
Dec 7, 2010, 3:06 PM
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spikeddem wrote: hahah. this thread is sooooooooooooo just...ugh. god.
I am starting to agree with this comment. There is a lot of noise that needs to be filtered. Whatever device someone buys, they have to learn how to use it correctly. It sounds like people are giving advice based on not being able to use one device or the other correctly, thus they hate it. Both devices are good belay devices that are not difficult to use, but you must learn how to use them correctly. Once you do, then you will find that the difference between the two is small.
The Cinch is lighter and it is easier to feed the rope. Again, it is not difficult to feed the rope with a GriGri. Fat ropes (fat 10.5, 11) can be difficult to feed in a Cinch, I have seen the GriGri not lock on a 9.4 (which is below the recommended diameter). To the credit of the GriGri, the belayer held on to the brake strand and nothing bad happened, so the device still worked fine. I took from that experience that the Cinch works better on thin ropes, and it is approved for thinner ropes.
Lowering on the Cinch takes some getting used to, as does unlocking it after someone has fallen. In my opinion, this makes the GriGri easier to deal with when someone is dogging a route, especially someone like my 200+ pound friend who has a habit of falling with no warning. Since I use both frequently, I have no trouble lowering with either. I just find the GriGri easier, but it is not difficult to lower with the Cinch (the new version that is, the old version was a different story). One final thing, the Cinch is cheaper, and if money is an issue there is no reason to not to choose the Cinch.
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jt512
Dec 7, 2010, 4:40 PM
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madscientist wrote: The Cinch is lighter and it is easier to feed the rope. Again, it is not difficult to feed the rope with a GriGri. Fat ropes (fat 10.5, 11) can be difficult to feed in a Cinch, I have seen the GriGri not lock on a 9.4 (which is below the recommended diameter).
These problems are reportedly alleviated by the Grigri 2, due out in March 2011, which got rave reviews from attendees of the last Outdoor Show in Utah. If I were contemplating buying a Grigri, I'd wait till the Grigri 2 was available.
Jay
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madscientist
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jt512 wrote: madscientist wrote: The Cinch is lighter and it is easier to feed the rope. Again, it is not difficult to feed the rope with a GriGri. Fat ropes (fat 10.5, 11) can be difficult to feed in a Cinch, I have seen the GriGri not lock on a 9.4 (which is below the recommended diameter). These problems are reportedly alleviated by the Grigri 2, due out in March 2011, which got rave reviews from attendees of the last Outdoor Show in Utah. If I were contemplating buying a Grigri, I'd wait till the Grigri 2 was available. Jay
I would also recommend waiting until the GriGri 2 is out to make a decision on either device.
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spikeddem
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madscientist wrote: jt512 wrote: madscientist wrote: The Cinch is lighter and it is easier to feed the rope. Again, it is not difficult to feed the rope with a GriGri. Fat ropes (fat 10.5, 11) can be difficult to feed in a Cinch, I have seen the GriGri not lock on a 9.4 (which is below the recommended diameter). These problems are reportedly alleviated by the Grigri 2, due out in March 2011, which got rave reviews from attendees of the last Outdoor Show in Utah. If I were contemplating buying a Grigri, I'd wait till the Grigri 2 was available. Jay I would also recommend waiting until the GriGri 2 is out to make a decision on either device.
I'd recommend buying two GriGri 1's. Just playing a bit of Devil's advocate.
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anarkhos
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madscientist wrote: ...I have no trouble lowering with either. I just find the GriGri easier, but it is not difficult to lower with the Cinch (the new version that is, the old version was a different story). One final thing, the Cinch is cheaper, and if money is an issue there is no reason to not to choose the Cinch.
Lowering with either the original or "improved" cinch is easy if you use your left hand and place your thumb under the pivot for the plastic handle.
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joeforte
Dec 15, 2010, 5:47 AM
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anarkhos wrote: madscientist wrote: ...I have no trouble lowering with either. I just find the GriGri easier, but it is not difficult to lower with the Cinch (the new version that is, the old version was a different story). One final thing, the Cinch is cheaper, and if money is an issue there is no reason to not to choose the Cinch. Lowering with either the original or "improved" cinch is easy if you use your left hand and place your thumb under the pivot for the plastic handle.
Having owned both, I agree
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csproul
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joeforte wrote: anarkhos wrote: madscientist wrote: ...I have no trouble lowering with either. I just find the GriGri easier, but it is not difficult to lower with the Cinch (the new version that is, the old version was a different story). One final thing, the Cinch is cheaper, and if money is an issue there is no reason to not to choose the Cinch. Lowering with either the original or "improved" cinch is easy if you use your left hand and place your thumb under the pivot for the plastic handle. Having owned both, I agree
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Someone should try to combine the two devices, so that you get the easy rope feed of the cinch, but the safety of a gri gri.
The result would look like this:
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csproul
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The Gri-grinch!
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bill413
Dec 16, 2010, 2:59 PM
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camhead wrote: Someone should try to combine the two devices, so that you get the easy rope feed of the cinch, but the safety of a gri gri. The result would look like this: [image]http://sofura.blogg.se/images/2008/grinch3_18101208.gif[/image]
Are you sure you don't get the reverse combination?
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robinsmv
Dec 16, 2010, 3:11 PM
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bill413 wrote: camhead wrote: Someone should try to combine the two devices, so that you get the easy rope feed of the cinch, but the safety of a gri gri. The result would look like this: [image]http://sofura.blogg.se/images/2008/grinch3_18101208.gif[/image] Are you sure you don't get the reverse combination?
I think it would depend on which device is the mother and which is the father, kinda like a liger vs a tiglon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiglon
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camhead
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bill413 wrote: camhead wrote: Someone should try to combine the two devices, so that you get the easy rope feed of the cinch, but the safety of a gri gri. The result would look like this: [image]http://sofura.blogg.se/images/2008/grinch3_18101208.gif[/image] Are you sure you don't get the reverse combination?
What, a Cri Cri? That makes no sense at all.
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