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hyhuu
Apr 8, 2011, 11:30 AM
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I know that Yates are real popular but I can't seem to find any information on the web about people's experiences with Fish aid ladder. Does anybody here use Fish's?
On a separate subject, on easy aid is there a difference between etrier vs ladder style? In my limited experience, I feel that they both function equally well.
Thanks.
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skiclimb
Apr 8, 2011, 2:51 PM
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I use Yates ladders..I prefer ladder style aiders as my feet just seem to get in the steps a bit easier. I like supporting FISH over Yates when I have the option. I'd imagine Fish ladders are excellent they are a bit lighter and have an interesting set of top steps but I havn't used em.
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charlie.elverson
Apr 8, 2011, 3:38 PM
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I'm new to aid, but I own a set of fish ladders. I prefer ladders over etriers. From my limited experience it seems like ladders get a little less tangled since it's all in a straight line instead of zig-zagging. I also think my feet get in them a little easier.
Fish ladders are pretty inexpensive (they were something like half the price of yates or metolius when I bought them) and I'm very happy with mine. I asked for mine to be made with 1" instead of 3/4" webbing. Do you want any specifics?
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hyhuu
Apr 8, 2011, 7:14 PM
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Thank you for the response. For the Fish aider, I just want to hear how people like them. Strangely enough, I come to like walking up and standing in the etrier a little better because I can have my feet side to side instead of straigh down the fall line. But that's really a minor thing and didn't affect how I climb on easy aid.
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skiclimb
Apr 8, 2011, 8:43 PM
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hyhuu wrote: Thank you for the response. For the Fish aider, I just want to hear how people like them. Strangely enough, I come to like walking up and standing in the etrier a little better because I can have my feet side to side instead of straigh down the fall line. But that's really a minor thing and didn't affect how I climb on easy aid.
use 4 aiders
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jmeizis
Apr 8, 2011, 9:47 PM
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I use the Fish ladders. They're nice. I like them better than etriers because they don't tangle up. Even if they get a little tangled up you can use them as is. They're light, pretty cheap. So far they've been durable but that's only on like 20 aid pitches so not a great measure, On thing I think that would improve them (you listening Russ?) would be if individual steps were a little more substantial. Sometimes if I can't see my feet and I'm not in climbing shoes I can't tell if I'm hitting the step because the fabric is kind of soft feeling. I dont' know if stiffer nylon would do the trick or attach some plastic to the instep part but that would be the only thing that sometimes bothers me.
They can feel a bit long which in some circumstances is nice, and others can be a bit of a cluster. I like mine a bit long though.
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pbcowboy77
Apr 11, 2011, 7:17 PM
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I had a pair of fish ladders in 1' wide and loved them. I use Yates now (only because I got them for free) and they are just about the same.
I support both companies and feel both have great products and customer service.
Zac
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atg200
Apr 12, 2011, 7:09 AM
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hyhuu
Apr 14, 2011, 2:59 PM
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atg200 wrote: Etrier style are worthless and need to go the way of the figure 8. This is after using them for 10+ years on hundreds of aid pitches. Ladders are the way to go. Use 2 - not 4. This after hundreds of aid pitches as a slow aid climber. I more than doubled in speed going from 4 aiders to 2 ladders immediately, and can certainly go faster after getting more dialed in. On real aid the Yates spreader bars are hard to beat. I can more easily top step in a spreader bar yates ladder than I can second step in an aider because of the ease of getting in and out. It feels much more like free climbing. Wish I had switched many years earlier.
What's wrong with figure 8? It can't be completely useless. Thanks for the feedback. Fortunately I started with 2 and can't imagine what a cluster it would be with 4 aiders. I understand that with harder aids it might be neccessary and I'm too chicken to even think of doing such thing.
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