YOU have nothing against the thread drift, but njrox does. (see his post above)

So right away, you can see that even though you guys started by agreeing with each other ,you two have very different ideas of what constitutes "good" moderation.

And that's just two people.

Yeah, that sounds like a good start. I mean, isn't that would mods should be doing?

I will say again that I rarely use RC.com anymore because it's a website (forum) overrun by bullies who just want to prove their point while degrading someone else's statements/opinions. Almost everyt thread ends up going off topic. I read/follow/post/discuss topics on other sites daily and don't come across half the nonsense that I do here. It's like grade school playground arguing vs. college classroom debating. I don't want to discuss rock climbing here because 9 out 10 times discussions turn to insults and the whole thread goes off topic. You don't make friends here. You want a user's feedback on your site? Well, there it is.

I can see this already becoming yet another RC.com pissing contest so I'm not going to add any more fuel to the fire. You can take my statement for what it's worth (accept that's how I feel, and deal with it) or you can post reply after reply breaking down every little thing I said and defend, argue, and belittle it (typical RC.com responses to anything not found to be agreeable).

It's good to know that these are your views and no the sites. It is worth pointing out that the mods are the face of this site and your posts represent the site management.

Wouldn't being a combative jerk be categorized at rude?

If you and I where talking about the average grade of sport climbs across the country and someone jumped in and said 'you don't know shit Lena, only a weakling would think most sport climbs are rated 5.?'

Wouldn't you call that being rude, offensive, and inappropriate? I would.

Yes, chadnsc, that's what I was referring to.

And I agree with csproul about Mountain Project having a much more controlled, on-topic, and civilized forum. In fact, MP is the reason why I hardly ever visit RC.com anymore.

I wouldn't think of asking the same questions or posting the same topics I do on MP here. RC.com is unfriendly and volitile. There's really no other way to say it.

If your a moderator or "manager" of the content that ends up on this forum, you ought to feel responsible when users complain about how this site is being managed because it's your job to.

But if someone jumps in to say that you don't know shit, and doesn't contribute anything useful, most people can and do mark that person as a combative jerk not to listen to, and move on past it.

First off, I want to thank you for being so civil and listing to the criticisms I have of the site. I know your's is a hard, thankless job and that 99% of the contact you get with site members is negative. Thank you for volunteering your time here.

As for what defines a 'pissing contest' that is a hard one. I personally would define it as two people going at it just to show superiority and belittle those that don't agree. They're not arguing to convey a point, they're arguing to make the other person look bad and to make themselves look/ feel better.

A prime example of this for me would be the interaction between bearbreeder and jt512 about daisy chains.

...I agree with csproul about Mountain Project having a much more controlled, on-topic, and civilized forum. In fact, MP is the reason why I hardly ever visit RC.com anymore.

I wouldn't think of asking the same questions or posting the same topics I do on MP here. RC.com is unfriendly and volitile. There's really no other way to say it...

Better moderating doesn't necessarily fix the problem either. Look at Mountainproject. I'd say that there is more moderating of posts over there than here and that some (not all) of the negative bullshit is kept in check there. But there is just as much misinformation spread over there as there is here, only people get called out on much less and much less aggressively. So it's a "happier" place to be in that I think they are less tolerant of trolling and name calling and such...but at the same time, misinformed posts and "facts" are perpetuated just as much or more than here. I think there is something to be said for getting a smackdown when you say stupid shit...

So, when you said that THIS THREAD is deteriorating into pissing contest, what exactly were you referring to?

Yes, I do have a general understanding of what pissing contest is, but I didn't see it in THIS thread, yet you said it was going there.

We have already drifted, topic-wise... And I have contributed to that topic drift, but then, so have you.

If I am a moderator reading this thread, where, in your opinion, should I step in? It seems that the very act of me posting all of this constitutes nit-picking on YOU, or it could be interpreted that way by some people...

mmmm ... keep in mind that some of the complainers are just as guilty of these "rude" post ... on that particular thread as well

They're not arguing to convey a point, they're arguing to make the other person look bad and to make themselves look/ feel better.

A prime example of this for me would be the interaction between bearbreeder and jt512 about daisy chains.

Yes, I can see that. IMO, bearbreeder's contributions in that thread, while factually not too wrong, have been unnecessary. A guy asking whether to buy a daisy chain or a PAS to clean a sport climb was told that he needs neither.

After the first couple responses, that thread was done, as far as useful factual information..

Well, I disagree. Every few years the Internet needs to be reminded of Chris Harmston's cardinal post about the possibility of daisy failure when the daisy is properly clipped.

Jay

not quite anything more to say is there?

in the new spirit of non-rudeness i whole heartily support this decision about the deadly nature of deadly daisies clipped to a single pocket and FF2 falls ... its a known killer of people using them for cleaning

i cant stop counting the bodies that are littering the base of the crag because of it

And I agree with csproul about Mountain Project having a much more controlled, on-topic, and civilized forum. In fact, MP is the reason why I hardly ever visit RC.com anymore.

I wouldn't think of asking the same questions or posting the same topics I do on MP here. RC.com is unfriendly and volitile. There's really no other way to say it.

If your a moderator or "manager" of the content that ends up on this forum, you ought to feel responsible when users complain about how this site is being managed because it's your job to.

Only you and I Curt, only you and I.

I really don’t find much difference in the quality of discussions between this site and Mountain Project. To consider this I just went to MP and found a truly fatuous discussion concerning Ivan Green’s chipping and manufacturing a route I haven’t seen anything here as personally insulting and vulgar as this:

“Thanks, Killis. Im glad your grandstanding on MP and I except your twattishness, Its nice to know your seriously fucked and a Urban shithead from Vegas. Im sorry you got molested by your mom though, thats pretty ruff. But at least you got molested by a nice twat like you mom's.”

MP has become the principal site for route information and finding partners for which this site is now rarely used. Also, it’s a lot easier to post pictures there and create links. RC is last century as far as this goes. However, it’s inconvenient following a long thread on MP as it does not direct one to the new posts on a followed thread as occurs here. Thus, I’m very seldom inclined to follow a long thread on MP, and anyway after the first page little new is said as the insults, repititions and irrelevancies mount.

Rob.calm