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winkwinklambonini
Nov 18, 2003, 12:51 AM
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To be so "patriotic", anti-socialist, anti-communist,
pro-free trade with china?!
No wonder unions support Dems.
This christmas, buy yourself a better economy, buy american products, that means no Wal-Mart.
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sid_rock
Nov 18, 2003, 12:58 AM
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In reply to: To be so "patriotic", anti-socialist, anti-communist, pro-free trade with china?! No wonder unions support Dems. This christmas, buy yourself a better economy, buy american products, that means no Wal-Mart.
Don't be a retard, buy all you want at WalMart. No one wants a piddly minimum wage manufacturing job anyway. But stop moving call centers, development hubs (Microsoft, Oracle) and accounting centers (PWC, H&R) to India. Those are the jobs we could actually use, that we could actually raise a family with.
F*ck globalization. Stop sharing the wealth people, there isn't enough to go around.
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djmeat
Nov 18, 2003, 2:06 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: To be so "patriotic", anti-socialist, anti-communist, pro-free trade with china?! No wonder unions support Dems. This christmas, buy yourself a better economy, buy american products, that means no Wal-Mart. Don't be a retard, buy all you want at WalMart. No one wants a piddly minimum wage manufacturing job anyway. But stop moving call centers, development hubs (Microsoft, Oracle) and accounting centers (PWC, H&R) to India. Those are the jobs we could actually use, that we could actually raise a family with. F*ck globalization. Stop sharing the wealth people, there isn't enough to go around.
Wealth redistribution is a trait of succesful economies..the have nots are becoming haves.....The American dream is alive and well in Calcutta.
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winkwinklambonini
Nov 19, 2003, 1:02 AM
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Paraphrased from a Business Week article; A SIMPLE EXPLANATION OF WHY WAL-MART SHOULD BE BOYCOTTED:
Having low prices is good, using overseas labor to achieve this is not horrible, but when one company controls such a large percentage of the market, it turns very bad.
Many manufacturers NEED to sell through Wal-mart to survive. If a company's product is too expensive for Wal-mart, they have little choice for distributers. So the choice is simple, reduce production cost, or go under.
This is why WAL-MART IS THE BIGGEST SINGLE REASON FOR OUR JOBS ARE GOING TO THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES.
On average, when a wal-mart enters a market average prices go down in all stores, but average saleries go down too. This is due in large part to the fact that, on average, 3 jobs are lost for every 2 wal-mart jobs gained. California is currently dealing with loosing all of it's $17/hr supermarket jobs to $8/hr wal-mart super center jobs.
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djmeat
Nov 19, 2003, 1:40 AM
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Brutal capitalism at work. There are no walmart stores in finland.... see you guys later.
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tgreene
Nov 19, 2003, 1:47 AM
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In reply to: California is currently dealing with loosing all of it's $17/hr supermarket jobs to $8/hr wal-mart super center jobs.
I hate to be the barer of bad news, but when the cost of labor goes down, so does the cost of goods.
Comparing $17 hour grocery store jobs where you'll pay $4 for a gallon of milk, to $8 jobs where you'll pay $2.00 a gallon is all relative.
Yes, Wal-Mart has definately become the scourage of retail, but until the prices come down elsewhere, that's where you'll find me spending my hard earned dollars!
We all bitch and moan about things being so expensive, but fail to stop and consider that labor is the primary reason. Ironically, when the minimum wage goes up, so does the cost of a Big-Mac, as well as the production cost of napkins, condiments, shipping & receiving, insurance, payroll taxes, etc. The end result is a higher cost of goods, but then we bitch about that and demand another wage increase and the whole vicious cycle starts all over again...
Rather than blaming Wal-Mart, try blaming the Unions for a change -- $17/hr for a grocery clerk is unheard of in the real world, but then again, these are UNION jobs were talking about! :?
All of you hardcore "Buy American" folks really need a reality check. Take a good look at the brands of television & stereos you own, as well as nearly all other electronic gadgets, climbing gear, bikes, motorcycles (NEWSFLASH: Harley uses import parts), cars, clothing, etc. The list could go on and on, but I'd rather go drink another beer instead of type... I'll think I'll drink an IMPORT! :twisted:
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djmeat
Nov 19, 2003, 1:53 AM
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Brutal capitalism at work. There are no walmart stores in finland.... see you guys later.
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john1987
Nov 19, 2003, 2:16 AM
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In reply to: All of you hardcore "Buy American" folks really need a reality check. Take a good look at the brands of television & stereos you own, as well as nearly all other electronic gadgets, climbing gear, bikes, motorcycles ( NEWSFLASH: Harley uses import parts), cars, clothing, etc. The list could go on and on, but I'd rather go drink another beer instead of type... I'll think I'll drink an IMPORT! :twisted:
Well said.
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pehperboy
Nov 19, 2003, 2:30 AM
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In reply to: I'd rather go drink another beer instead of type... I'll think I'll drink an IMPORT! :twisted:
Canadian beer I hope! :wink:
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tgreene
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eric
Nov 19, 2003, 3:18 AM
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In reply to: F*ck globalization. Stop sharing the wealth people, there isn't enough to go around.
Actually, you're wrong. There is more than enough to go around.
If you could actually save lives simply by giving up your cell phone or driving a little less each year, would you? Or are you only concerned with your own interests?
Or think about how much wealth has been accumulated by the world's richest people.
Take Bill Gates. His current wealth is estimated by some to be around $57 billion. That's personal wealth. Let's call that $50 billion to be conservative. Now take the world's current population. Let's steal all his money and distribute it to everyone on the planet. That's almost $8 per person, not even taking into account that a huge number of people don't need it.
For another way to look at this, consider that according to a 2001 Merril Lynch report the 7.1 million people around the world who are worth US$1 million or more have a combined wealth estimated at US$26.2 trillion. That's over US$4000 per every person on the planet.
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styndall
Nov 19, 2003, 5:14 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: California is currently dealing with loosing all of it's $17/hr supermarket jobs to $8/hr wal-mart super center jobs. I hate to be the barer of bad news, but when the cost of labor goes down, so does the cost of goods. Comparing $17 hour grocery store jobs where you'll pay $4 for a gallon of milk, to $8 jobs where you'll pay $2.00 a gallon is all relative. Yes, Wal-Mart has definately become the scourage of retail, but until the prices come down elsewhere, that's where you'll find me spending my hard earned dollars! We all b---- and moan about things being so expensive, but fail to stop and consider that labor is the primary reason. Ironically, when the minimum wage goes up, so does the cost of a Big-Mac, as well as the production cost of napkins, condiments, shipping & receiving, insurance, payroll taxes, etc. The end result is a higher cost of goods, but then we b---- about that and demand another wage increase and the whole vicious cycle starts all over again... Rather than blaming Wal-Mart, try blaming the Unions for a change -- $17/hr for a grocery clerk is unheard of in the real world, but then again, these are UNION jobs were talking about! :? All of you hardcore "Buy American" folks really need a reality check. Take a good look at the brands of television & stereos you own, as well as nearly all other electronic gadgets, climbing gear, bikes, motorcycles ( NEWSFLASH: Harley uses import parts), cars, clothing, etc. The list could go on and on, but I'd rather go drink another beer instead of type... I'll think I'll drink an IMPORT! :twisted:
That's retarded.
When companies have to move their production facilities overseas, who is it that you think is suffering? It's American workers, who lose their jobs and can no longer by all that wonderfull plastic shit from walmart. So walmart, in cutting the number of jobs and the payscale from an area actually cuts back on both the number of employed persons and the amount of money in circulation. Walmart, by producing its things elsewhere and selling here, is doing unheard of damage to the economy. Soon there'll be no jobs left for americans, who won't be able to buy all these outsourced goods and services, and the american dream will have moved elsewhere. We'll just be poor schmucks wondering where in the hell our standard of living went, while we restock the bangladeshi OJ at the walmart.
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Nov 19, 2003, 5:49 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: For another way to look at this, consider that according to a 2001 Merril Lynch report the 7.1 million people around the world who are worth US$1 million or more have a combined wealth estimated at US$26.2 trillion. just to be clear, i am not one of those 7.1 million people. though, i like the robin hood plan. yay socialization, show me the money. :P
Of course you know what will happen if all the wealth was distributed to every single person in the world. At the end of 12 months there would be haves and have nots. The have nots would be screaming that they need what the haves have. In ten years you would see pretty much exactly the situation that you started with before the redistribution. Boo to socialisation, yay for less taxation and yay for encouraging people to have a go for themselves and allow them to keep the fruits of their efforts.
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arrettinator
Nov 19, 2003, 4:20 PM
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[quote="tgreene]$17/hr for a grocery clerk is unheard of in the real world, but then again, these are UNION jobs were talking about!$17 an hour grocery clerk?
Where is this grocery store, Rodeo Drive?
Minimum wage around here.
Walmart and grocery stores.
I don't recall any grocery unions either.
I could be wrong though.
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eric
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In reply to: Of course you know what will happen if all the wealth was distributed to every single person in the world. At the end of 12 months there would be haves and have nots.
Actually I'm not advocating anybody playing Robin Hood. I'm just pointing out that the notion that there is "not enough wealth" is absurd. But you have to agree that such massive economic disparity makes no sense. I'm not talking about giving every peasant in China a Mercedes. I just find it kind of mind boggling that something like 24,000 people starve to death every day!
You know, it actually doesn't have to cost that much to feed 24,000 people. In most countries you could probably feed a person a solid meal for a dollar or less (given that 1.2 billion people live on less than $1 per day). Even if you put it at $2, that's less than $50,000. If you had that money and knew that you could directly save 24,000 people, even if its only one time and temporarily, wouldn't you? Probably not, eh?
But while handing people money may "only" save their lives, we as humans have the ability to effectively end poverty and starvation forever.
According to a UN briefing paper, a mere $80 billion would provide "universal access to basic social services" and "alleviate income poverty". You can take that to mean providing mechanisms for people to feed themselves.
This is less than the cost of the current war in Iraq. Even if it were 2 or 3 times the cost, it would be a bargain. This isn't blind idealism, it's about attacking real and well-documented problems to save lives.
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eric
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In reply to: This isn't blind idealism, it's about attacking real and well-documented problems to save lives.
In fact for me it's not the loss of life, for that's just the course of nature. What is truly heart breaking is the sadness I see in the eyes of someone truly poor. Not just poor, but unable to eat. Desperate just to get a meal to survive, not even daring to hope for a warm place to sleep. Nobody should have to live like that.
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In reply to: I don't recall any grocery unions either. I could be wrong though.
Check this out:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/1112latinounion12.html
To all of you crying for wealth redistribution - Socialism/communism doesn't work. Even the Chinese are becoming capitalists.
For all of the people who think global interests should come before US interests, look at all those "high tech" jobs being exported overseas. Limited protectionism is the only way to go.
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arrettinator
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:lol:
Of course you would find something about supermarket unions.
Oh, and Arizona isn't PA.
Some issues are regional, remember.
Bring in the union.
I'll go work at the supermarket if it's going to bring me $17 an hour.
That's more than I make right now with my college degree.
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bumblie
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It's been in the national news for the past few weeks. Posting info was just too good to pass up. :wink:
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Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
I have been involved with an organisation that helps to establish micro businesses in the Phillipines and other South Pacific nations. The idea is to help people out of poverty traps by helping those people establish and run their own businesses by way of small loans at almost zero interest. This way the psople do not have to stay on the loan shark treadmill, they help the local economy and they can feed their own family with dignity. Much better way than just sending aid money or food which enslaves people to dependancy. The left will mostly always use this last way of "helping" people.
The left, socialism/ democrats/ labour has a vested interest in keeping people poor because poor people invariably vote for those parties. Now why in the heck would someone vote for a party that had an interest in keeping you poor.
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