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moeman
Jan 12, 2004, 7:08 PM
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I've seen people use this term, but what exactly does it mean? Its a type of ski, correct?
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tim
Jan 12, 2004, 7:09 PM
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It's French for "can't telemark".
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elvislegs
Jan 12, 2004, 7:15 PM
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Also called Alpine Touring, it's a binding system that allows you to switch between free heel tour mode, and fixed heel ski mode.
But I like Tims answer too. heh.
http://www.1-outdoors.com/Fritschi-Diamir-Fritschi-Diamir-Titanal-3-Alpine-Touring-Binding.asp
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moeman
Jan 12, 2004, 7:19 PM
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thanks for helping the skiing-impaired
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thomasribiere
Jan 12, 2004, 7:32 PM
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Une randoNNée is a french word for "a long and uninterrupted wandering", which can be either by foot, on a bike or on skis. The "ski de randonnée" is so some x-country skiing, more in a leisure aim than in a purely athletic or training goal.
Well, that's the meaning in French! :D
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skiclimb
Jan 12, 2004, 9:14 PM
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It means ...I eat Nordic Neds for lunch :mrgreen:
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foograbbinstone
Jan 12, 2004, 9:34 PM
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I have an odd question................???//
Now if you have a Randee/AT set-up. If you chose,could you freeheel down like a tele setup.
I've been thinking of getting Randonee set-up and was just wondering if it could be done. Most likely wont be doing it this season :( :(
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maculated
Jan 12, 2004, 9:38 PM
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In reply to: I have an odd question................???// Now if you have a Randee/AT set-up. If you chose,could you freeheel down like a tele setup. I've been thinking of getting Randonee set-up and was just wondering if it could be done. Most likely wont be doing it this season :( :(
Negatory on the free heeling down. The bindings are hinged, which means that they aren't meant to take the stress of the bending required to free heel down. Also, the boots of the skis would not allow the toe bending that tele does, you'd basically be tele turning on your tippy toes. It would fun to watch, so if you want to try, I'll be happy to laugh at you. Just don't use my setup.
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foograbbinstone
Jan 12, 2004, 10:00 PM
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Thanks maculated:
I didn't think it would work but the question popped in my head while reading the other posts. Figured I'ld ask anyway!!!!
If I'm feeling froggy when I get my set-up I'll vid it for you. :lol: :lol:
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paganmonkeyboy
Jan 12, 2004, 10:39 PM
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In reply to: It's French for "can't telemark".
actually its french for 'I'm not a snobby elitist, and I want my heels locked on the way down'
I tele and I randonee...and I won't pass a judgement on which one is 'better', just on what I prefer.
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telemarkist
Jan 12, 2004, 11:05 PM
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look you either tele and are way into it or you do both and so will remain just ok at tele turns and so will rely on your downhill gear when you go out to push your limits. do what you're comfortable with but don't call someone elitist for regurgitating a K2 add as a joke. oh and it ain't s--t if it's not done with a free heel!!!!! so there!!!!
oh and maculated's right, you won't be able to weight the trailing ski properly and that will give you a lot of trouble on the way down.
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jcinco
Jan 13, 2004, 12:42 AM
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In reply to: actually its french for 'I'm not a snobby elitist, and I want my heels locked on the way down'
Ummmm.... isn't that basically saying, "I can't tele." Because that's the only reason I can see for locking your heels.
Being a snobby elitist is part of the fun of teleing 8)
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skiclimb
Jan 13, 2004, 1:23 AM
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Apparently that is quite true....but I'm a snobby elitist randone skier...hehe
Can't tele where I go sometimes...at least not and make a turn...
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telemarkist
Jan 13, 2004, 1:54 AM
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skiclimb-care to take a tele snob to those spots that can't be skiied without training heels? because so far I haven't found any of those
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paganmonkeyboy
Jan 13, 2004, 2:05 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: actually its french for 'I'm not a snobby elitist, and I want my heels locked on the way down' Ummmm.... isn't that basically saying, "I can't tele." Because that's the only reason I can see for locking your heels. Being a snobby elitist is part of the fun of teleing 8)
ok - it should read 'I want my heels locked down *sometimes*'
-tailgrab spins off the kicker
-backflips
-big arials
-tiny tiny steep chutes
as always, ymmv...and if i sound offended its because I'm bored :)
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tim
Jan 13, 2004, 2:15 AM
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In reply to: ok - it should read 'I want my heels locked down *sometimes*' -tailgrab spins off the kicker -backflips -big arials -tiny tiny steep chutes as always, ymmv...and if i sound offended its because I'm bored :)
Don't lie, all the people in the pretty pictures do that stuff with tele gear.
;-)
I have a split board and that's about all I need or want for backcountry roving. Didn't realize that quote was from an ad -- it actually came up in conversation, when a really good skier I used to work with, corrected my translation as 'long hike'.
Or as my wife (who has a full AT set up) calls it, 'Walking while dragging skis'. :-)
A great site with lots of tips on modifying AT hardware to work better is Lou Dawson's www.wildsnow.com . His book is fantastic, too. He's the anti-tele-snob, to boot!
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skiclimb
Jan 13, 2004, 2:56 AM
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Sure...PM me ...Hope you like sustained 50+deg slopes up to a max of 62deg
Don't slip though...I really dislike looking for body parts and putting them in vinyl bags....very unpleasant.
Actually if you'd bring your own bag and leave it at the bottom I'd really appreciate it...Thanks.
hmm.. that reminds me of a good sig.
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forbin
Jan 13, 2004, 4:09 AM
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In reply to: It's French for "can't telemark".
Main Entry: tel·e·mark
Pronunciation: 'te-l&-"märk
Function: noun
Usage: often capitalized
Etymology: Norwegian
Date: 1904
: translation "slow hippie"
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paganmonkeyboy
Jan 13, 2004, 5:42 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: ok - it should read 'I want my heels locked down *sometimes*' -tailgrab spins off the kicker -backflips -big arials -tiny tiny steep chutes as always, ymmv...and if i sound offended its because I'm bored :) Don't lie, all the people in the pretty pictures do that stuff with tele gear. ;-)
In all fairness if i could go as big on teles I would - the tele turn has a soul all its own that alpine and randonee will never touch, so maybe I am a bit of a tele snob too :). However, reality is I've crashed more than landed just about all the big tricks attempted, and that's with heels locked - on teles I'm pretty sure the flail factor would be even higher going nose over...anyone out there ever try big tricks on their teles ? Jump into the pipe ? I've seen it done and its amazing to watch, I just know I can't do it...
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doktor_g
Apr 10, 2004, 5:04 AM
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- Canoe vs. Kayak
- Telemark vs. Alpine
- Trad vs. Sport
Not sure I want to get into this conversation, but I'm new to skiing. I've been four times at the Mt. Shasta ski park. Everytime I've rented and used telemark gear so I don't really know much about alpine/randonee stuff other than they seem to hit the steeper stuff, and I'm still on the greenies. Anyway, I'm shopping for the stuff right? I really love it. Can't do a teleturn to save my life though. Yet, I still try. So, my on to my question. Actually two.
1.) Which should I buy, randonee or telemark? The caveat is that I've never done alpine or randonee. What I want to do is hit southern Cascade peaks and off-piste stuff. Long term though, if I ski to a ice climb I don't want to have to pack in another pair of boots.
2.) Can I get crampons (vert ice) for telemark boots?
Thanks,
Grover
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csoles
Apr 10, 2004, 2:25 PM
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Sorry forbin, your translation is wrong.
Telemark is Norwegian for "hey, wait up!"
Despite that, Grover, tele is more fun but rambo gear makes more sense for what you describe (hint: Silvretta 505 or PURE). You *can* climb ice with tele boots (many crampon options) but it's better with AT boots. Skiing in climbing boots is something you do between the sitzmarks.
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doktor_g
May 2, 2004, 11:10 PM
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Thanks Csoles,
Grover
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