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adeptus
Jan 13, 2004, 10:06 PM
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Any experience with this stuff?
It should be good for your ligaments and reduce the risk of injury.
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shervo
Jan 13, 2004, 10:16 PM
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It's realy good!! take it
I think it's just mental, but at least it worked when i had tendonitis.
If it's gonna make you feel better, go for it!
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Jan 13, 2004, 10:37 PM
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I take it and MSM (per my physician). It has helped reduce my joint pain significantly. (Knees and fingers). Stick with it, it takes 6-8 weeks to make a difference. I am experimenting with liquid glucosamine...it tastes vile, but seems to be more effective. Who knows...
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rockprodigy
Jan 14, 2004, 5:01 AM
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It seems to work for me, and the only drawback I'm aware of is the price (it's spendy).
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adeptus
Jan 14, 2004, 8:25 AM
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So it rebuilds joint tissue or that?
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kyhangdog
Jan 14, 2004, 11:28 AM
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I take the MSM +Glucosamine and it definitely lubes the joints. My knees used to crack and pop whenever I'd hike uphill, but not they're quiet and not painful. It's not expensive either. I go to GNC and it's about ten bucks for a month's supply. To be honest I've had the best results from the combination of MSM, Glucosamine, and Chondroitin.
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Jan 14, 2004, 12:31 PM
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I started taking glucosamine about a month ago because I have developed a lot of joint pain in my hands. Recurring injuries, too many cracked knuckles, and what may be the start of arthritis (at age 21) have made my hands often feel painful and stiff, especially in the cold. One particular knuckle that I injured in a fit of anger was especially bad. While I haven't tried to crank on any rocks in extreme cold yet, I have done a little climbing and pain that was there two months ago doesn't occue any more...
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marcel
Jan 14, 2004, 1:59 PM
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I take the MSM + Glucosamine and fish oil tablets. It makes a big difference. When I'm climbing hard I double the amount taken.
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gblauer
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Jan 14, 2004, 2:01 PM
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In reply to: To be honest I've had the best results from the combination of MSM, Glucosamine, and Chondroitin.
I completely agree.
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j_ung
Jan 14, 2004, 2:10 PM
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Oh hell yes. Glocosamine/chondroitin/MSM: my supplement coctail of choice.
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thomasribiere
Jan 14, 2004, 10:07 PM
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This topic was discussed at least once, starting the 11/02/2002. Here's what I wrote, ased on studies made on animals (as I'm a vet). I corrected the grammar mistakes BTW.
In reply to: I used them in the 80's for knee problems with no result as I can remember. But now as a vet, I prescribe them for dogs with degenerative joint disease. It works pretty well, though some dogs can get diarrhea... Their aim is to modify the anatomical structure of the cartilage ; they are also known as symptomatical molecules with anti DJD with slow action (over 4 weeks). Glucosamine is a small molecule derievd from glucose ; it's a monomere for glucosaminoglycanes (keratane, hyaluronate...) Chondroitine, (extracted from cow trachea, squales, mussels shells...), is a polymere of high molecular weight which is partially absorbed in the bowel. The absorbed part has a high affinity for bone epiphysis and synovia, ie the joints. However, the action lasts for weeks (4 to 8 weeks), much higher than placebos. The radiographic studies show a stabilisation of the lesions (not an improvement). Moreover, the use of glucosamine and/or chondroitine allows a reduction of the use of the anti-inflammatory drugs, which is good. And as a vet, I can see the results on dogs which are goods. But yes, it's expensive, and you have to make 2 or 3 cures of 1 month each every year. I don't know if it works on tendon, it's not the purpose of those drugs! HOPE THIS HELPED YOU! _________________ |
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greyicewater
Jan 22, 2004, 3:21 PM
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i take msm with glucosamine... it does wonders. my joints are feeling awsome. i take 2 pills when i don't climb, and when i know i'm going to climb hard, i'll take 3.
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I have/had tendonitis in my left wrist so bad I could barely type or climb. I ordered "Therapain Plus" from ReliefMart. ists Glucosamine and MSM. In a week, it has reduced swelling and pain so I can climb (gingerly) and type. its a spray on thing. It was 30 bucks, but since its working, i can't complain.
coylec
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powrslave
Feb 6, 2004, 6:02 PM
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It will work regardless.
Not sure what MSM is all about, but I used the GNC offering since it came with the Glucosamine.
Big dose pills of Glucosamine/Chondroitin is what its all about.
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adeptus
Feb 16, 2004, 6:07 PM
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Glucosamine rules!
I’ve been taking it for only 2 weeks now, but I already feel a difference.
Usually my fingers get toasted from hang board sessions, but now they hardly feel sore. The effect is notable and there are no side effects. I can only recommend it to climbers, even if they don’t have present problems. Climbing will wear down you fingers and cause arthritis sooner or later, so why not start the prevention as soon as possible.
Give it a try, you'll like it :P
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Feb 16, 2004, 6:48 PM
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In reply to: It's realy good!! take it I think it's just mental, but at least it worked when i had tendonitis. If it's gonna make you feel better, go for it!
My old partner was PHD in health statistics. Studies lab
results on experiments to verify they are statistically valid
models.
He said glucosamine and fish oil are they only two "herbal"
type supplements that have statistically valid lab models.
dreez
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craggy
Feb 16, 2004, 7:21 PM
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Use it. Love it. Forget the studies and tests. This stuff works. Glucosamine, Chondroitin, MSM. Take it, love it and thank GOD for the wo/man who invented these joint supplements.
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yttocs
Feb 16, 2004, 8:15 PM
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In reply to: good write up on glucosamine from someone not trying to sell it to you... http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/glucosamine.html
Also, Glucosamine is designed to work on joints not ligaments like some people seem to think.
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chrisvalenzuela
Feb 16, 2004, 8:40 PM
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If the joint pain is caused by the wearing thin of the cartilage in your joints from overuse, you can regrow the stuff and glucosamine sulphate and MSM with cologen (gelatin) will provide the essential nutrients to promote the regrowth. The older you get the harder it is to regrow cartilage. 50% of the people who take glucosamine have good results. I have read that by taking it with MSM it is much more effective. It can take up to six months for you to get any noticeable results. Of couse it all depends on the amount of existing damage.
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missedyno
Feb 27, 2004, 1:50 PM
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okay, i just bought all this stuff... anyone know what it's best to take with? empty stomach, with food... night vs. day...
i know some supplements can only be absorbed by the body if taken with a certain food or other supplement/vitamin. any ideas?
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jgrierson
Feb 27, 2004, 2:06 PM
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In reply to: This topic was discussed at least once, starting the 11/02/2002. Here's what I wrote, ased on studies made on animals (as I'm a vet). I corrected the grammar mistakes BTW. In reply to: I used them in the 80's for knee problems with no result as I can remember. But now as a vet, I prescribe them for dogs with degenerative joint disease. It works pretty well, though some dogs can get diarrhea... Their aim is to modify the anatomical structure of the cartilage ; they are also known as symptomatical molecules with anti DJD with slow action (over 4 weeks). Glucosamine is a small molecule derievd from glucose ; it's a monomere for glucosaminoglycanes (keratane, hyaluronate...) Chondroitine, (extracted from cow trachea, squales, mussels shells...), is a polymere of high molecular weight which is partially absorbed in the bowel. The absorbed part has a high affinity for bone epiphysis and synovia, ie the joints. However, the action lasts for weeks (4 to 8 weeks), much higher than placebos. The radiographic studies show a stabilisation of the lesions (not an improvement). Moreover, the use of glucosamine and/or chondroitine allows a reduction of the use of the anti-inflammatory drugs, which is good. And as a vet, I can see the results on dogs which are goods. But yes, it's expensive, and you have to make 2 or 3 cures of 1 month each every year. I don't know if it works on tendon, it's not the purpose of those drugs! HOPE THIS HELPED YOU! _________________ Resident Frenchman
Interesting comments - I am also a veterinary surgeon and I have yet to see any convinving data published about animals (in English). If you have any reference that show that chondroitin sulphate and glucosamine are effective I would be interested. I work in a large referral hospital in the UK and myself and my collegues are not convinced. Much of the evidence for there effectiveness in animals is ancedotal and I am not aware of any well design studies that have been performed to test the drugs efficacy.
As for people - dunno - not my field! Although from what I have reasearched the evidence for the usefulness in joint disease is good.
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Feb 27, 2004, 2:29 PM
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In reply to: okay, i just bought all this stuff... anyone know what it's best to take with? empty stomach, with food... night vs. day... i know some supplements can only be absorbed by the body if taken with a certain food or other supplement/vitamin. any ideas?
After meals, with water.
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endrizzi
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Friend of mine is PHD in Health Statistics/Epidemeology and says
that Glucosimine and Fish Oil are the only two supplements that
have valid statistics behind them that in fact help the body.
I take them religiously. Hasn't grown any hair on my head though...
dreez
In reply to: This topic was discussed at least once, starting the 11/02/2002. Here's what I wrote, ased on studies made on animals (as I'm a vet). I corrected the grammar mistakes BTW. In reply to: I used them in the 80's for knee problems with no result as I can remember. But now as a vet, I prescribe them for dogs with degenerative joint disease. It works pretty well, though some dogs can get diarrhea... Their aim is to modify the anatomical structure of the cartilage ; they are also known as symptomatical molecules with anti DJD with slow action (over 4 weeks). Glucosamine is a small molecule derievd from glucose ; it's a monomere for glucosaminoglycanes (keratane, hyaluronate...) Chondroitine, (extracted from cow trachea, squales, mussels shells...), is a polymere of high molecular weight which is partially absorbed in the bowel. The absorbed part has a high affinity for bone epiphysis and synovia, ie the joints. However, the action lasts for weeks (4 to 8 weeks), much higher than placebos. The radiographic studies show a stabilisation of the lesions (not an improvement). Moreover, the use of glucosamine and/or chondroitine allows a reduction of the use of the anti-inflammatory drugs, which is good. And as a vet, I can see the results on dogs which are goods. But yes, it's expensive, and you have to make 2 or 3 cures of 1 month each every year. I don't know if it works on tendon, it's not the purpose of those drugs! HOPE THIS HELPED YOU! _________________ Resident Frenchman |
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Searching for info on these supplements, from what I was able to gather there's some pretty decent support for glucosamine. Not so much for chondroitin but it what's out there it looks promising. Also, several medical doctors I know recommend them to their patients.
MSM was a different story. Maybe I missed someting, but I wasn't able to find anything but empty hype on MSM--certainly nothing that comes close to justifying the claims being made.
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