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mrme
Jan 23, 2004, 1:07 AM
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i always get the gear on climbs and stuff left if i am the last person in the area. i have also returned gear to the people who it belongs to because they mention upon meeting them that they forgot such and such at a place and left it there and man are they surprised at getting the stuff back. but for a piece of gear left on a climb because someone bailed off it, no one has ever claimed a thing. i have also run people down that left stuff behind and i have noticed just to get there stuff back to them.
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timstich
Jan 25, 2004, 2:20 AM
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Another good place to score some booty gear is inside those packs in your closet you don't use often, deep in the bottom of your gear bins, and in compartments in your main bag that you don't usually look in. Scored two cams today I thought I had lost. Rawwwwwks.
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radistrad
Jan 25, 2004, 2:45 AM
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The last piece I pulled was a 3.5 camalot with two petzl spirit biners and a sewn runner.
Other gear, #4 camalot, #1 camalot, a 1.5 friend with a broken wire, an old chiounard #1 camelot a #1 friend, a few bail beiners and few nuts. I gave the #4 camalot to my partner for the day as he did not have one.
I've had a rope bag ripped off from the base of Central Pillar of Frenzy
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oudinardin
Jan 25, 2004, 2:49 AM
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A bunch but I climb alot. Gotta love the booty. Never can catch up with the gear I've left on FA Alpine routes. Oh well. Better to be safe than dead.
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quickclips
Jan 27, 2004, 10:49 PM
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I bring a bag up all the time to pack out trash. But here's my thought on the whole booty thing. If someone bailed from a route, go ahead and take it. If its being worked, put them back when you're done. If you find gear on the ground somewhere, look for the rightfull owner of let it lie. It's not cool to just pick up someones rack off the ground and call it booty, no matter how small it is.
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ricardol
Jan 28, 2004, 1:04 AM
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My biggest score was 2 BD cams, a few slings, about 5 or 6 biners, a nut, and a locking biner ..
i returned about 1/2 of it to the owner.
-- ricardo
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chico
Jan 28, 2004, 1:08 AM
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I have to agree with both strider and drkodos, first off you don't leave your gear unless you absolutely have to, secondly, finders keepers-loosers weepers! I bootied a beautiful new tri-cam on the Mathes Crest, because whoever was seconding didn't have the patience or the finesse to get it back out. Also I recently bootied six, count em', six brand spankin' new cams off of a route in the Trinity Alps. Apparently the party bailed and rapped off the cams, not having the savvy to realize that there was ample opportunity to leave stoppers, or even better sling horns. I say sorry suckers, that was one expensive bail. Next time Dr. Jones, you be more careful!
I should know too, I had to bail off a climb if the face of bad weather on Bald Rock Dome and leave multiple slings, and biners. I knew then that the next people to climb the route would say the same thing that I said when I booty gear "yeaah boiee!", and thats the way it goes. I've found cams in tree canopies, and nalgene bottles behind flakes. Enough yakking from me, bootying is O.K., stripping routes of hardwear is not O.K. know the difference. :wink:
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summerprophet
Apr 13, 2004, 3:47 AM
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Whil climbing once in california, my climbign partner and I were cruising up this superclassic. To make a long story short, a cam was dropped by a party above us, and plunged into the abyse. After confering with the climbers at the top and finding out they werent going to go look for it, my buddy and I (both dirtbags to the core) ventured off onto this death slabs containing loose moss, rattle snakes, and a variety of sketched out stupid moves, to find a wonderful collection of gear. The total? seven cams, a biner full of nuts, a quckdraw, two prana hats, three or four sewn slings, a disposable camera, and a pair of sunglasses. The best part? All the gear was fished out of brush and trees, it had never even hit the ground.
Booty gear is booty gear, but the camera and sunglasses were left at the bulliten board.
To top it all off. wandering back at the end of the day, another cam was pulled out of the same crag (needed the cables replaced, but oh well)
J.
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boltfreak18
Apr 13, 2004, 4:26 AM
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When i first started climbing , I was out in J tree and saw some slings and some nuts down in a crevase out a Indian Cove. Later that day I went back wiht a tent pole and duck tape and got them out.
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harihari
Apr 13, 2004, 5:00 AM
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I did Calculus Crack in Squamish a few weeks ago as the first pitches of a longer day, and told my leader (who'd never doen the route) "climb up the crack, step left, and make a gear belay." She went up there, and then yelled down at me through the wind,
"There's a gear belay!"
"Yeah," I yelled, "make a gear belay!"
"No," came her voice,"there's a belay here already made."
Somebody had used a nut, a hex and a tri-cam, three locking bieners and a brand-new cordelette to build a belay. And on the next pitch we found two more nuts, another hex and three more bieners.
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coylec
Apr 13, 2004, 5:34 AM
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When I climbed the Nose (Looking Glass, NC), i took a friend of mine who had climbed a lot indoors but had never been outside. she almost forgot to collect the gear from the first belay station - had to remind her to get it all. i can see how it happens.
my only luck was finishing a WC tech friend at Rumbling Bald. I couldn't get it out, so my much wiser partner (brandon) spent 15 minutes working on it. got it out. and i kid you not, gave it to me. also tossed in a pair of lockers he'd found the day before. my only treasure has been these gifts.
coylec
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mistymountainhop
Apr 13, 2004, 6:09 AM
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Ive found a rock empire cam, a couple draws, a couple hex's, etc.
as much as i like to find "booty" i have a feeling of guilt knowing if i keep climbing at the rate i do im inevitably going to have to bail or leave gear. therefore,i use the golden rule as much as i can
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Apr 13, 2004, 7:04 AM
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In reply to: Enough yakking from me, bootying is O.K., stripping routes of hardwear is not O.K. know the difference. :wink:
I agree completely, but how do you define/know the diference between scouting/prep gear and bail gear (other than height)?
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ihuang
Apr 13, 2004, 7:10 AM
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Since you brought it up, did anyone find 3 DMM quick-draws sitting at the bottom of Head Stone at Ryan? My partner took them off his harness and didn't inform me about it. :evil:
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akclimber
Apr 13, 2004, 9:36 AM
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Evidence. :lol:
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reedcrr
Apr 13, 2004, 12:02 PM
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It is very obvious when someone is "working" a sport route...leave the gear alone! If the first two draws are missing but all of the other draws all the way to the chains are in place...guess what! You call these draws booty and take them...well, someone is going to beat you to a pulp if they find you!
I have found plenty of cams and hexes in my life and kept every last one of them. Point is if you leave it there and leave the route and I come behind you....your gear is now mine, plain and simple.
And to the college students who can't afford to purchase new gear every time they bail a route and think people should come and find them and return their gear...wake up!
Bottom line: If you ask me to retrieve your gear because you had an Elvis attackand had to bail and can't get it back because your too damn scared. Well, there will be a fee for such a service...either a bottle of wine, a pick of the gear I retrieve, or your buying dinner. Which ever I feel in the mood for at the time of recovery! I have been there before and it sucks but that is the life of the noob! Get used to it or pick your routes better!
That's the climbing tradition! :lol:
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rocket
Apr 13, 2004, 1:48 PM
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One thing I learned from my climbing partner is that you should be careful about using the "booty". Only the owner knows how old the piece is, esp. the sling/webbing. I've found several pieces at Seneca and after checking the groups in front to ensure they didn't belong to someone we tossed them. I dropped a Friend from Tomato and it nailed several rocks on its way down. I never found it. I hope nobody else did either. After hitting the rock that hard who knows if it didn't get a stress fracture.
I may be overly cautious in that regard, but just be sure the booty is still reliable.
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sarcat
Apr 13, 2004, 2:19 PM
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Make sure the bootie you find is the bootie you leave for the next guy. Like that's ever going to work out. I found a guys girlfriend once. He left her at the bottom so I picked her up.
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akclimber
Apr 13, 2004, 10:43 PM
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In reply to: Make sure the bootie you find is the bootie you leave for the next guy. Like that's ever going to work out. I found a guys girlfriend once. He left her at the bottom so I picked her up.
so did u get some good use out of her or left her behind?
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micahmcguire
Apr 13, 2004, 11:05 PM
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it wasn't on a climb, it was below a climb. I was hiking around the base of El Capitan and found one of "Chongo's" legendary stashes that got him in so much trouble. I'd say there was a couple thousand bucks worth of gear there.
I've also lost a $180 ice tool and a perfectly good crampon on a particular mountain up here in AK.
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daggerx
Apr 13, 2004, 11:30 PM
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I found a new rope laying beside the road. But at the crags I have found draws and biners the were used for leavbehinds, I have also found a ATC and a chalk bag and some nut laying at the base that muct have took a hell of a fall on.
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joneiche
Apr 13, 2004, 11:58 PM
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I laid my hands on a brand new (only placed once) #4 metolius tcu after a couple of yuppies placed it and couldn't get it out (pull the trigger and push the unit up out of the taper they had set it in). They said they had taken a class and were intent on learning to climb, so they went and dropped probably $2,000 on a pile of gear they didn't know how to use. As they were leaving i asked if they wanted the biener off of the cam. they said it wasn't worth the walk to come get it, so i dutifully took care of thier gear. the most rediculous part was that the piece was only 5 feet off the ground. I love other people's shiny new racks!!
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antepater
Apr 15, 2004, 2:36 AM
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I found a series of spam cans slung with wrapping wax rope used as a chock stone on bunch of climbs in Arapiles. But I did manage to pull a wired tricam???? out of a crack. great museum piece. I've never been luck with finding anything usefull
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joshklingbeil
Apr 15, 2004, 6:15 AM
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2 days a go I scored a green alien, a stopper,3 biners 2 of them were the nice petzl ones,and 2 slings.Thats the most I have found on single climb. Someone bailed off the top of pitch 6 on the Southeast Ridge in the Superstition mtns. 5 cams , 12+ stoppers, 20+ biners. yep lots of garbage left around.
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