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shakylegs
Jun 22, 2004, 3:11 PM
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In reply to: Why is that? Is that really the sad state of the male ego? sheesh.
Gosh, I love sweeping generalisations about the opposite sex.
But, no, honestly, Cathy, that skirt does look lovely on you. And no, it doesn't make your ass look big. There, is your ego stroked now? Because, lest we forget, all men are pigs and all women have appearance issues.
Phew, glad we got that out of the way.
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cathy
Jun 22, 2004, 3:24 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Why is that? Is that really the sad state of the male ego? sheesh. Gosh, I love sweeping generalisations about the opposite sex. But, no, honestly, Cathy, that skirt does look lovely on you. And no, it doesn't make your ass look big. There, is your ego stroked now? Because, lest we forget, all men are pigs and all women have appearance issues. Phew, glad we got that out of the way.
OK, so you're right. The sweeping generalization obviously does not apply to all men any more than the cute belay bunny who can't climb applies to all women climbers. Yet, I maintain there is some truth to both. I mean, I didn't start this thread, I just posed a possible (and partial) explanation for the "girlfriend who really can't climb" syndrome: it partially reflects what the boyfriends are selecting for.
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jessicagrace
Jun 22, 2004, 3:43 PM
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I did see this at the gym last night. Bleach blond girl wearing white hot pants and a hot pink tank top. I looked at her harness. It was touching bare skin all around. That's got to hurt. She's trying 5.7s, but not making it up the wall and asking to be let down. Meanwhile, she's belaying him on 5.12s. Then there was the gym quote of the year (not from this woman, but another). AS she was struggling to hold on with her inch long manicured nails, she whined loudly, "But if I cut my nails, how am I going to scratch your back?" Oh boy, did this guy blush!
But there are many of us out there who do really climb. I'm not pulling hard yet, but I go out on my own...sometimes even boulder in the rain and have bouldered (ALONE), even when it was below freezing this past winter. There are many girls in our circle who climb as hard as their men, or who are single and climb hard.
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shakylegs
Jun 22, 2004, 3:44 PM
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Well, yes and no, but I think part of the "problem" is the only-recent influx of women into the sport. Their choice of mentors is limited to men. (generalisation!)
However, looking around at crags and at the gym, I think the pendulum will swing the other way in 5-10 years, because it seems to me that the young hard climbers these days are girls climbing with their dads or moms (ex: edge, madriver, gblauer, others).
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dirtineye
Jun 22, 2004, 4:03 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: Why is that? Is that really the sad state of the male ego? sheesh. Gosh, I love sweeping generalisations about the opposite sex. But, no, honestly, Cathy, that skirt does look lovely on you. And no, it doesn't make your ass look big. There, is your ego stroked now? Because, lest we forget, all men are pigs and all women have appearance issues. Phew, glad we got that out of the way. OK, so you're right. The sweeping generalization obviously does not apply to all men any more than the cute belay bunny who can't climb applies to all women climbers. Yet, I maintain there is some truth to both. I mean, I didn't start this thread, I just posed a possible (and partial) explanation for the "girlfriend who really can't climb" syndrome: it partially reflects what the boyfriends are selecting for.
What a riot.
My experience is that many women who pretend to climb are intimidated by guys that climb even remotely hard. Every guy I know would prefer to have a girl who can climb as hard or harder than he does. I have stated many times and not always in jest that I would like to find a girlfriend climber who can drag me up stuff. There are many men who enjoy seeing their girl succeed and even surpass them. When you have a REAL relationship, you support your partner.
Here's a clue though: Climbing regularly with someone of either sex who seriously out climbs you tends to have it's own issues. Note that these issues are independent of gender.
CLIMBERS generally prefer an equal or near equal partner. See, that word, CLIMBER, it has no gender.
Thank goodness there are a few women on this board who really can climb, and some who really want to learn and improve, and who don't worry about the gender issues. There are men for these women, the problem is geting the firefies with matching blinks together hahaha.
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jessicagrace
Jun 22, 2004, 4:04 PM
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There's a lot of truth to that!
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shorty
Jun 22, 2004, 4:21 PM
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In reply to: Maybe there are so few girlfriends who actually climb because there are so few boyfriends who really want an equal partner?
I don't want a belay Betty -- I want to be the belay Bubba.
And so my fragile male ego won't be bruised too badly, I do promise to hump the rope and rack up to the base of climbs. Gotta make me feel like I'm contributing to the team. (Mongo haul gear, Mongo belay good, Mongo protect rope gun from killer rabbits with huge biting fangs.)
Yeah, that's it. Equal partner? ppppffffftttt.
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jumpingrock
Jun 22, 2004, 4:40 PM
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trust community to turn a completly non-serious thread into a pointed debate about sexism in the climbing community. Carry on this is interesting.
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bumblie
Jun 22, 2004, 4:59 PM
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Mongo like sheriff shorty. Him pal.
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shakylegs
Jun 22, 2004, 5:04 PM
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Mongo shy.
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yanqui
Jun 22, 2004, 5:30 PM
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In reply to: Yet, I maintain there is some truth to both. I mean, I didn't start this thread, I just posed a possible (and partial) explanation for the "girlfriend who really can't climb" syndrome: it partially reflects what the boyfriends are selecting for.
I have seen examples of this: one time my wife and I met up with 'Flaco' (name-change to protect the innocent), his girlfriend (and future wife) and a group of male climbing companions at a nearby crag. This was girlfriend's first trip to the crag.
Gaby (my wife) and I had just finished a climb that starts off around 10a and finishes off at bouldery 5.11, when Flaco and the group showed up. The rope was still in place, and, with some gibing from Flaco and the group, the poor girl gets convinced to try the route on top rope, inspite of Gaby's insistence that the route was too difficult for a beginner. Hey: Gaby had just cranked the route. Of course the girlfriend got spanked terribly on the 5.10a opening moves, was frustrated and humiliated and ended up deciding climbing wasn't for her. Gaby and I tried to explain that easier climbs could be fun, but it's hard to understand this without the relevant experience. And in all honesty, when I brought it up with Flaco he said he preferred that his girlfriend didn't climb. Go figure.
There was some poetic justice though: Flaco ended up having to pull on the draw to pass the bouldery 5.11 move that Gaby had just cruised.
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jessicagrace
Jun 22, 2004, 5:36 PM
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Yes, there is that group, as well. The men who DON'T want their women to climb because they DON'T want them at the crag...they want it to be a guy thing...whatever. Oddly, I have one friend who felt that way, but once he met "the right girl", he wanted her to learn to climb.
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bumblie
Jun 22, 2004, 6:08 PM
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In reply to: Yes, there is that group, as well. The men who DON'T want their women to climb because they DON'T want them at the crag...they want it to be a guy thing...whatever. Oddly, I have one friend who felt that way, but once he met "the right girl", he wanted her to learn to climb.
Good point. So ladies, when your boyfriend prefers to go climbing with "the boys", it's not your gender, it's just you.
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katydid
Jun 22, 2004, 7:38 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Yes, there is that group, as well. The men who DON'T want their women to climb because they DON'T want them at the crag...they want it to be a guy thing...whatever. Oddly, I have one friend who felt that way, but once he met "the right girl", he wanted her to learn to climb. Good point. So ladies, when your boyfriend prefers to go climbing with "the boys", it's not your gender, it's just you.
Hell, I WANT my boyfriend to go climbing with the boys sometimes. He climbs harder than I do. It's not fair to hold back his progress by monopolizing him and forcing him to stay on my level.
As long as he doesn't climb with ONLY the boys. Then I would be pissy. :P
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jessicagrace
Jun 22, 2004, 7:45 PM
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Yeah, well this started out as ONLY the boys. His girl doesn't climb much. She's yet to become one that really climbs.
Mine, has yet to go without me, except at the gym. I boulder without him rather frequently (I have more free time).
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Jun 22, 2004, 8:46 PM
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andy_lemon
Jun 22, 2004, 8:50 PM
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I think the perfect happy medium for "time apart" is a climber finding a girlfriend who doesn't climb... or vice versa.
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shakylegs
Jun 22, 2004, 8:56 PM
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Um, no. That leads to breakups. Well, for some of us.
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jessicagrace
Jun 22, 2004, 8:57 PM
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In this specific instance, they've been together 18 months, and she's climbed 3 times. I don't think that qualifies as really climbing. I don't think there will be any arguements on that.
As far as time apart goes, you don't need one to be a climber and the other not, to get that. My boyfriend has several other activities (ie swimming, running, squash, bike racing) that I do not participate in...and he does not attempt to create art, while I'm doing that. We each have our own stuff, outside of our shared interest of climbing.
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andy_lemon
Jun 22, 2004, 8:57 PM
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Dude, your on this site so much I don't ever see how you could take a 2 day trip so that obviously eliminates "time apart". I think the problem lies elsewhere with your women.
DR. ADVICE
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cantbuymefriends
Jun 23, 2004, 11:42 AM
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In reply to: My experience is that many women who pretend to climb are intimidated by guys that climb even remotely hard. Every guy I know would prefer to have a girl who can climb as hard or harder than he does. I have stated many times and not always in jest that I would like to find a girlfriend climber who can drag me up stuff. There are many men who enjoy seeing their girl succeed and even surpass them. When you have a REAL relationship, you support your partner. Here's a clue though: Climbing regularly with someone of either sex who seriously out climbs you tends to have it's own issues. Note that these issues are independent of gender.
CLIMBERS generally prefer an equal or near equal partner. See, that word, CLIMBER, it has no gender.
Hear, hear!!
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