the right at least uses a credible foundation to build their smear campaign on. The left just pulls crap out of their ass and states it as fact.

Can you use credible and smear in the same sentence???

For 2+ years the left has been calling GW a liar, saying that he knew about 9/11 and let it happen, that he concocted the war in Iraq for oil, and on and on...and that isn't a smear campaign?

A lot of flame on both sides in this thread but this little jewel was hilarious!


Thrasher dude, you are one of a kind.

Hmmm, can you really trust somene who has something to hide???

The second Purple hHeart was for an incident where he droped a grenade into a small sampan that they had pulled alongside. The grenade landed in a basket of rice and as he turned and ducked he ended up with an ass full of rice. (This according to at least one eye witness)

I imagine he would be more than a little embarrased if that were exposed by his medical records.

So, at least two out of the three Purple Hearts that Kerry "earned" were due to self inflicted wounds. What a total screw-up. I'd love to hear how he "earned" the third one. No wonder he wants to keep his records sealed.

Curt

Excellent point Jbird, just like when Bush wouldn't release his missing military records!

It's Godzilla versus King Kong fighting it out in the cesspit of US politics. If you believe Michael Moore's film, Bush was in cahoots with the Bin Laden clan. If you believe the Swiftvets' book, the man who wants to replace Bush is a poltroon - incapable of commanding a small plastic boat, let alone the most powerful nation on the planet as it faces the greatest crisis in its history.

I'll side with the guys that were there and saw what happened.

Tradster, good to hear that you'll be siding with the people who were actually there, meaning the people who ACTUALLY served with Kerry and praise him, not the Repub...er, I mean Swift Boat Veterans for Truth who were simply serving at the same time as Mr. Kerry.

The book's weakness is support for Kerry's presidential campaign by his swift boat crewmates, presumably people who knew him best. O'Neill told me that these former sailors served with Kerry no more than five weeks. Jim Rassmann, now part of the Kerry presidential campaign, was a Special Forces lieutenant spending a few days with Kerry when he fell or was knocked off the swift boat while under fire and was fished out of the Mekong River by the future candidate.

The "band of brothers" was organized by Kerry, according to this book. It tells of a 2003 telephone call to Adm. Roy Hoffmann, who commanded swift boats in Vietnam, telling him he was running for president. Hoffmann, mistakenly thinking it was former Sen. Bob Kerrey, "responded enthusiastically." Once the admiral realized it was John Kerry, "he declined to give Kerry his support." Hoffmann is quoted as saying, "I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be commander in chief of the armed forces of the United States."

John E. O'Neill, co-author of "Unfit for Command," replaced Kerry as commander of Swift Boat PCF 94 in 1969 and has been confronting him since 1971. O'Neill told me he is no George W. Bush partisan and probably would have supported John Edwards had he been nominated for president, but is committed to keeping Kerry out of the Oval Office. Thus, reversing the usual formulation, the assault on Kerry is personal but not political.
O'Neill told me neither he nor his co-author (Jerome R. Corsi, a writer and expert on the Vietnam antiwar movement) has had contact with the Bush White House or the Bush-Cheney campaign. He said he and Corsi, on their own initiative, went to conservative Regnery Publishing to offer the book.

From yesterday's USA Today:
"Like Hoffmann, none of the 13 men in the TV ad served on either of the two swift boats — small, lightly armed patrol craft — that Kerry commanded. Of the group's 254 members — out of 3,500 swift boat sailors who served in Vietnam — only one served under Kerry. The rest who did serve on Kerry's boats back his record."


And Tradster please, Novak? I would not call him a reliable or independent source. He's a white house mouth piece.

I'm sorry for my first post. I don't actually believe any of the things that I wrote. I just wanted to see some of the crazy conservatives here defend purple hearts. (you know who you are) None of us were there when kerry got injured, but as you all have made it quite obvious, its a VERY sensitive issue, so how could you even imply that maybe Kerry didnt deserve his medals. I think you all owe kerry an apology.

well i definitely would rather have kerry be president instead of bush. that being said, i think that purple hearts are the stupidest medals that you can win. Why would they reward you for getting hurt? Maybe if you got hurt doing something really brave, you should get a medal for getting hurt, but the whole point of fighting is to hurt the other person, not get hurt yourself. So getting a medal for getting hurt is like rewarding someone for screwing up. Its the same thing with that Jessical Lynch girl. She was made out to be a hero but all she did was get lost. She put other soldiers at risk just to save her sorry behind. The soldiers who rescued her are the real ones who deserve medals.

I'm sorry for my first post. I don't actually believe any of the things that I wrote. I just wanted to see some of the crazy conservatives here defend purple hearts. (you know who you are) None of us were there when kerry got injured, but as you all have made it quite obvious, its a VERY sensitive issue, so how could you even imply that maybe Kerry didnt deserve his medals. I think you all owe kerry an apology.

You have no right to claim you support our troops if you participate in this sort of BS.

believe that on the field of battle, some soldiers to heroic things, some do horrific things, and some do what many might think to be cowardly things. They are all ok with me.