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In reply to: By SAM DOLNICK, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - After winning re-election and "reshaping the rules of politics to fit his 10-gallon-hat leadership style," President George Bush for the second time was chosen as Time magazine's Person of the Year. The magazine's editors tapped Bush "for sharpening the debate until the choices bled, for reframing reality to match his design, for gambling his fortunes — and ours — on his faith in the power of leadership." Time's 2004 Person of the Year package, on newsstands Monday, includes an Oval Office interview with Bush, an interview with his father, former President George H. W. Bush, and a profile of Bush's chief political adviser, Karl Rove. In an interview with the magazine, Bush attributed his victory over Democratic candidate John Kerry to his foreign policy and the wars he began in Afghanistan and Iraq. "The election was about the use of American influence," Bush said. After a grueling campaign, Bush remains a polarizing figure in America and around the world, and that's part of the reason he earned the magazine's honor, said Managing Editor Jim Kelly. "Many, many Americans deeply wish he had not won," Kelly said in a telephone interview. "And yet he did." ............ Discuss. Curt
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His 2nd Win, his family now has three on their mantleshelf. Previous award recipients: 1927- Charles Lindbergh 1928- Walter Chrysler 1929- Owen Young 1930- Mahatma Gandhi 1931- Pierre Laval 1932- Franklin Delano Roosevelt 1933- Hugh Johnson 1934- Franklin Delano Roosevelt (2nd time) 1935- Haile Selassie 1936- Wallis Simpson 1937- Chiang Kai-Shek and Soong May-ling 1938- Adolf Hitler 1939- Joseph Stalin 1940- Winston Churchill 1941- Franklin Delano Roosevelt (3rd time) 1942- Joseph Stalin (2nd time) 1943- George Marshall 1944- Dwight Eisenhower 1945- Harry Truman 1946- James F. Byrnes 1947- George Marshall (2nd time) 1948- Harry Truman (2nd time) 1949- Winston Churchill (2nd time) 1950- The American Fighting-Man 1951- Mohammed Mossadegh 1952- Queen Elizabeth II 1953- Konrad Adenauer 1954- John Dulles 1955- Harlow Curtice 1956- Hungarian Freedom Fighter 1957- Nikita Khrushchev 1958- Charles De Gaulle 1959- Dwight Eisenhower (2nd time) 1960- U.S. scientists 1961- John F. Kennedy 1962- Pope John XXIII 1963- Martin Luther King Jr. 1964- Lyndon Johnson 1965- William Westmoreland 1966- Twenty-Five and Under 1967- Lyndon Johnson (2nd time) 1968- Frank Borman, Jim Lovell, William Anders 1969- The Middle Americans 1970- Willy Brandt 1971- Richard Nixon 1972- Richard Nixon (2nd time) and Henry Kissinger 1973- John Sirica 1974- King Faisal 1975- American Women 1976- Jimmy Carter 1977- Anwar Sadat 1978- Deng Xiaoping 1979- Ayatollah Khomeini 1980- Ronald Reagan 1981- Lech Walesa 1982- The Computer 1983- Ronald Reagan (2nd time) and Yuri Andropov 1984- Peter Ueberroth 1985- Deng Xiaoping (2nd time) 1986- Corazon Aquino 1987- Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev 1988- Endangered Earth ("Planet of the Year") 1989- Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev (2nd time) 1990- George H. W. Bush 1991- Ted Turner 1992- Bill Clinton 1993- Nelson Mandela, F.W. de Klerk, Yasser Arafat, and Yitzhak Rabin 1994- Pope John Paul II 1995- Newt Gingrich 1996- David Ho 1997- Andy Grove 1998- Bill Clinton (2nd time) and Kenneth Starr Changed to "Person" of the Year 1999- Jeffrey P. Bezos 2000- George W. Bush 2001- Rudolph Giuliani 2002- The whistleblowers: Cynthia Cooper of Worldcom, Sherron Watkins of Enron, and Coleen Rowley of the FBI 2003- The American Soldier
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curt
Dec 19, 2004, 6:54 PM
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It is interesting to look back at that entire list, isn't it? Whereas some people on that list had relatively little long term impact on the world, there is no doubt that they were extremely important figures in their time. Of course, some people on that list also changed the world forever. Interesting choices, indeed. Curt
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johnson6102002
Dec 19, 2004, 7:44 PM
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In reply to: It is interesting to look back at that entire list, isn't it? Whereas some people on that list had relatively little long term impact on the world, there is no doubt that they were extremely important figures in their time. Of course, some people on that list also changed the world forever. Interesting choices, indeed. Curt yes indeed it is interesting viewing all of the selections and trying to compare there impacts!
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grimpiperx
Dec 20, 2004, 12:39 AM
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In reply to: "The election was about the use of American influence," Bush said. The election was about fear!!! :x
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In reply to: •I attacked and took over 2 countries. •I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury. •I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy!). •I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period. •I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market. •I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner. •In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did). •After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history. •I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in US history. •In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs. •I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history. •I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period. •I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history. •I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president, since the advent of TV. •I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history. •I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed. •I cut health care benefits for war veterans. •I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. •I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history. •I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history. •Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.) •I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy. •I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world. •I am the first president in US history to order a US attack AND military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community. •I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States, called the "Bureau of Homeland Security"(only one letter away from BS). •I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Ronnie was tough to beat, but I did it!!). •I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission. •I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board. •I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history. •I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. I withdrew from the World Court of Law. •I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions. •I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections. •I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations. •The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation). •I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history. •I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1) •I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government. •I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history). •I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability. •I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. •I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations bidding for gov't contracts. •I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history. •I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down. •RECORDS AND REFERENCES: I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available). •I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war. •I refuse to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use. (wink,wink) •All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. •All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. •All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. •Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review. This is what you do to get Time's Person of the year?! :evil:
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Dec 20, 2004, 12:44 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: •I attacked and took over 2 countries. •I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury. •I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy!). •I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period. •I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market. •I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner. •In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did). •After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history. •I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in US history. •In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs. •I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history. •I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period. •I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history. •I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president, since the advent of TV. •I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history. •I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed. •I cut health care benefits for war veterans. •I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. •I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history. •I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history. •Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.) •I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy. •I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world. •I am the first president in US history to order a US attack AND military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community. •I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States, called the "Bureau of Homeland Security"(only one letter away from BS). •I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Ronnie was tough to beat, but I did it!!). •I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission. •I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board. •I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history. •I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. I withdrew from the World Court of Law. •I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions. •I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections. •I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations. •The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation). •I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history. •I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1) •I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government. •I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history). •I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability. •I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. •I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations bidding for gov't contracts. •I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history. •I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down. •RECORDS AND REFERENCES: I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available). •I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war. •I refuse to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use. (wink,wink) •All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. •All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. •All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. •Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review. This is what you do to get Time's Person of the year?! :evil: AMEN!!!!!! anybody out there that thinks bush is so great, all u gotta do is read this...i only wish it was my day to rate posts
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I'm quite distrubed that the Bush Administration is attempted to spin the election as support for the war in Iraq. No body's polling numbers suggest that -- its blind, unfounded assertion. I do believe that Bush is going appropriate company. Chiang? Both used a political faction to gain power, but them quickly abandoned that group once it was no longer politically expedient. (Chiang abandoned his communist supporters once he gained power in the late 20s) Hilter? Both are egomaniacal imperialists who cemented his domestic base of power on the demonization of a minority group, while alienating foreign countries with a "take-it-or-leave-it" diplomatic style. Stalin? Both are egomaniacal imperialists who cemented his domestic base of power through secrecy and intimidation of opposition groups, all the while threatening and bullying foreign powers. Byrnes? Both oppose extending equal rights to all members of society (Byrnes opposed school integration and called for massive resistance). I could go on, but I'm tired. coylec PS - I vote Curt "Troll of the Year" for having the best trolls on the site, including this one. :D
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In reply to: PS - I vote Curt "Troll of the Year" for having the best trolls on the site, including this one. :D Hey, thanks man. Its not that easy you know. 8^) Curt
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In reply to: In reply to: PS - I vote Curt "Troll of the Year" for having the best trolls on the site, including this one. :D Hey, thanks man. Its not that easy you know. 8^) Curt Must say I do appreciate it ... I've been flame free for several months now, because I'm able to excise my online angst through your fantastic trolls. Bravo Curt, keep up the good work. And, if/when we cross paths, remind me to buy ya some good scotch. coylec
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Time Person of the Year is about the most influential person, not the best person. Look at previous "winners"- Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, Martin Luther King Jr., Richard Nixon...some were good, some bad, some questionable, but all were undeniably influential.
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quote: grimpiperx
In reply to: •I attacked and took over 2 countries. •I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury. •I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy!). •I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies... etc, etc, etc Why can't America understand any of this and why did America re-elect him?!?!!!!!!
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The Canadian edition of Time magazine had a different person of the year! Time names Maher Arar Canadian Newsmaker of the Year TORONTO (CP) - Syrian-born Canadian Maher Arar has been chosen as Time magazine's Canadian Newsmaker of the Year. Arar, who was born in Syria but has dual citizenship, was detained in New York in September 2002 on suspicion of involvement in Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terrorist network. U.S. authorities then deported the telecommunications engineer to Syria. Arar, 35, says he was tortured by Syrian officials in a stark prison cell before being released last year. He denies any involvement in terrorism. Earlier this year, Arar pushed for and got a public inquiry into his case. "Sure, there were big players like (Conservative Leader) Stephen Harper, who laid down a challenge to (Prime Minister Paul) Martin, and of course the eventually victorious Martin himself," said Time Canada editor Adi Ignatius, referring to the federal election and other candidates for newsmaker honours. "Ultimately, though, there was one person who we felt symbolized the issues that are likely to be of lasting importance to Canada. That person is Maher Arar." © The Canadian Press, 2004
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Thanks for the list grimpiperx. I'm invited to a Bush Bashing Party in Jan and the list will come in handy for the games.
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Seems jimmy carter was the only prez not to get two nominations.
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Purely as a side-note, it's also interesting that there hasn't been a non-american winner for 10 years.
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grimpiperx
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In reply to: Thanks for the list grimpiperx. I'm invited to a Bush Bashing Party in Jan and the list will come in handy for the games. No problem, allways happy to spread the word :righton: Where is this party? :wink:
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In reply to: By SAM DOLNICK, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK - After winning re-election and "reshaping the rules of politics to fit his 10-gallon-hat leadership style," President George Bush for the second time was chosen as Time magazine's Person of the Year. The magazine's editors tapped Bush "for sharpening the debate until the choices bled, for reframing reality to match his design, for gambling his fortunes — and ours — on his faith in the power of leadership." By the looks of it, they didn't choose him for good reasons... kinda like when they chose Hitler.
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It certainlyy looks like quite a few people are displeased with this choice. Doris Day sang it best.
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In reply to: Purely as a side-note, it's also interesting that there hasn't been a non-american winner for 10 years. My guess is because it's the u.s. time magazine. Like it was posted earlier - we have our own time "person of the year" and it sure as hell ain't bush.
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In reply to: My guess is because it's the u.s. time magazine. Like it was posted earlier - we have our own time "person of the year" The Canadian edition is limited to Canadians. The selected "Man of The Year", in the US publication, is international in scope.
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Yah, like Baseball is the "World" series. coylec
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Previous award recipients: 1930- Mahatma Gandhi 1931- Pierre Laval 1935- Haile Selassie 1936- Wallis Simpson 1937- Chiang Kai-Shek and Soong May-ling 1938- Adolf Hitler 1939- Joseph Stalin 1940- Winston Churchill 1942- Joseph Stalin (2nd time) 1949- Winston Churchill (2nd time) 1951- Mohammed Mossadegh 1952- Queen Elizabeth II 1953- Konrad Adenauer 1955- Harlow Curtice 1956- Hungarian Freedom Fighter 1957- Nikita Khrushchev 1958- Charles De Gaulle 1962- Pope John XXIII 1974- King Faisal 1977- Anwar Sadat 1978- Deng Xiaoping 1979- Ayatollah Khomeini 1981- Lech Walesa 1983- Yuri Andropov 1985- Deng Xiaoping (2nd time) 1986- Corazon Aquino 1987- Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev 1988- Endangered Earth ("Planet of the Year") 1989- Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev (2nd time) 1993- Nelson Mandela, F.W. de Klerk, Yasser Arafat, and Yitzhak Rabin 1994- Pope John Paul II
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