Some people like music while they climb. If you can't say anything in person, don't whine about it here. Grow some ballz.

Whitetrash is everywhere!

in a national park?

threatening access by pissing off tourists?

no one is whining, its a group issue. We as climbers need to protect access, playing music in nature does not protect access.

Oh and I doubt any of these folks busting your balls would have asked them to turn it down either.

DMT

Oh and I doubt any of these folks busting your balls would have asked them to turn it down either.

DMT

Disagree. It's not that hard to simply say "would you mind turning your music down or putting on headphones?!" No reason why a "normal" person would get defensive to that.

Disagree. It's not that hard to simply say "would you mind turning your music down or putting on headphones?!" No reason why a "normal" person would get defensive to that.

I shouted at the top and I mean the TOP of my considerable lungs:

"REO SPEEDWAGON FUCKING SUCKS!!!111 TURN THAT MOTHERFUCKING THING OFF!!!111"

You could hear my voice echoing down the canyon, Off off off off off off.....

Now I fully expected them to crank that fucker right back up. That's what Ida done in their place. Guess they thought I might be armed too cause....

the doused the fire, turned off their lanterns, locked up the trucks and I heard no more from those boys. So when my pards finally showed up? WE blasted em back with System of a Down!


DMT

it just... I hate the fucking Eagles, man.

But, arguably, a "normal" person would have the sense not to be playing music at the crag in the first place.

Jay

And we put in the tenacious D between burns.

Heh. A guy I climb with occasionally always brings his boombox out to the crag. He gets some stinkeye but no one ever complains. Whoever is redpointing gets to choose the music. ANd you know what?

It's FUN! hahahahaha

And we put in the tenacious D between burns.

I think it's less of an access issue, especially at a place like Jtree where it's less than quiet anyhow, and more of a safety issue since there is almostly always more than one party and hearing your partner can be an issue even when there isn't music. It's just common courtesy to leave it at home.

the real hidden valley is serene and beautiful. It would be easy for the NPS to shut down climbing there, just like the banned bolting (essentialy climbing) in the barker dam area...for tourists.


you will ruin access with music....yes you will.

Nah. Music won't affect access. The whole access threat is part of the trad taliban credo to stifle activity they don't like.

Now, a surefire way to avoid that pesky music listening white trash is to go somewhere that isn't n00b central (ie, NOT thin wall) that has more than a 5 minute walk from the road.

the real hidden valley is serene and beautiful. It would be easy for the NPS to shut down climbing there, just like the banned bolting (essentialy climbing) in the barker dam area...for tourists.


you will ruin access with music....yes you will.

I drive 8 to 12 hours to get to a crag. I can listen to the Eagles or even Lawrence f'ckn Welk at work or in the car anytime.

The reason I drive the 8 to 12 hours is to climb and be in Nature. I want to hear the birds, the wind in the trees, and my partner saying, "Watch me!"

Leave the jams at home, PLEASE. (Unless you are bouldering. You wear the beanie, you play the tunes.)

you sound like a naive kid, so does caugghtupside

you folks will ruin access....yes you will.......

Did you just call it a jam box?

next time......

well, posting reaches more people, and is a bigger meme.

ah hell, what's a little noise pollution after you've already driven all that way out to the wall, polluting the air and damaging the ozone layer. i hear for every 1,000 miles driven, you're entitled to blast a full day of music at an outdoor venue of your choice. after every 10,000 miles, you get to chop down a tree. after every 100,000 miles, you get a coupon to go start a forest fire

that's nice. i drive to the crag to climb, hang with friends, and have a good time. part of that is listening to music. we all have different reasons for climbing, just because you do it for nature reasons, doesn't mean i have to. if my music is too loud, i'll turn it down. but i'm not going to turn it off. when climbing, you have many obstacles to overcome, if music is the "crux", you got some problems.

This thread is a tribute to the fact that people (all-inclusive for one reason are another) are often inconsiderate of others.

Its all about me.

Here's to the american way of life. [lowers and shakes head in shame]

So, what, you bicycle to the crag? At least air pollution is a more real issue than the hypothetical jam box crag takeover gripe.

actually, yes, i do bike to the one spot that's close enough to climb. crappy seaside rock. but that's the one spot i can get to on a bike

air pollution is a bigger issue than a lot of things. but the appropriate comparison is "driving to climb and leaving a mess" versus "driving to climb and not leaving a mess," that or between "driving to climb and doing noise pollution too" versus "driving to climb without doing the noise pollution." but guess that's for people who can think straight

I also bike to a local crag. But I will gladly pollute my way to the better climbing. Does constant beta count as noise pollution, because I think I'll take the Steely Dan.

I hate Steely Dan... but would take them over the Kibitzers any day. Those people need to be shot.

However, I have yet to hear anyone shout more beta than the guides in Thailand.

all constant beta pollution i've dealt with with physical violence pollution. it's the only way to vanquish the constant beta infidels

Right hand up!
Now left foot!
Now right foot!

NO No other foot!

Good ole 123 wall

The bottom line to me is that my silence does not disturb others. Your music may or may not, but only they know. It is, in old fashioned terms, rude to impose your version of outdoor life on others.

Trophy.

It's like the smoking in restaurants issue. Nobody's compromised by a NON-smoking section or restaurant. But ALL non-smokers are offended when somebody blows their smoke on 'em. Common sense, children. You can't pee in only one part of the swimming pool.

I forget, which do you get the 40 virgins for? Killing a chalk infidel or killing a beta infidel? They are often the same people, so I guess the question is moot.

i don't know either. i didn't get that pamphlet in the mail at all. did yours say 40 virgin girls specifically? because i sure as hell wouldn't bother if it's the other. that's the problem with the olden ways. they get you with slick salesmanship. by the time you've completed your glorious death, or made your glorious killing, you get not quite what you thought you had coming, standing there with 40 virgin gerbils in your hands

Trophy.

It's like the smoking in restaurants issue. Nobody's compromised by a NON-smoking section or restaurant. But ALL non-smokers are offended when somebody blows their smoke on 'em. Common sense, children. You can't pee in only one part of the swimming pool.

smoking causes lung cancer. music causes what, geezers complaining about not hearing the birds? no comparison.

You could just play The Byrds for the geezers. Problem solved.

Zeke, you are a genius! How about playing the Animals? The Beatles? The MONKEES! We geezers would love it.

i'm not going to turn it off. w

I think it's less of an access issue, especially at a place like Jtree where it's less than quiet anyhow, and more of a safety issue since there is almostly always more than one party and hearing your partner can be an issue even when there isn't music. It's just common courtesy to leave it at home.

Oh and don't compare "noise pollution" to the pollution from someones car, one of them actually is a problem.

parks are supposed to be for the preservation of nature...not a playground to foul with noise pollution!

it will ruin access...it will.....

I absolutely agree, and I don't think the parks should let in those selfish climbers: putting in their bolts, leaving tat on trees and around rocks, pieces of tape and debris on the ground, chalk on the rocks. Not to mention the occasional death or injury. I don't come to the outdoors to see that, I come to see nature. Respect my desires.

there already are bans on bolting (barker dam corridor) and wilderness, which i support. I also support a chalk ban and ban on bouldering pads in all parks. both of those are useless.

climbers don't own the parks and are a minority in them, we will ruin access in places like (the real) hidden valley if we do not be cool....

I think all the climbers strung up on the rocks are an eye sore. It's nature, not a jungle gym.

The fixed climbers are the worst.

Yeah, the beta at 1-2-3 is way more annoying that steely dan!

Hey, is that Freedom Rock??

Nice, I like that better than the usual Ballsack

Anyway, you should really consider one of these instead:
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Remember, weight is still an issue!

that's nice. i drive to the crag to climb, hang with friends, and have a good time. part of that is listening to music. we all have different reasons for climbing, just because you do it for nature reasons, doesn't mean i have to. if my music is too loud, i'll turn it down. but i'm not going to turn it off...

I also support a chalk ban and ban on bouldering pads in all parks. both of those are useless.

Then you're a fucking asshole.

Jay

so turning it down is being an asshole huh? well than shit, i'll just turn it up louder if i'm an ass either way. thanks for letting me see it another way.

if anyone has a problem with my music, then climb fucking higher. quit bitching, and just fucking climb.

...the doused the fire, turned off their lanterns, locked up the trucks and I heard no more from those boys. So when my pards finally showed up? WE blasted em back with System of a Down!.....

DMT

Yes, people in other countries are never selfish.

*plonk*

System of a down? and yer bitchin about reo speedwagon? yea.

Get with modern age... User your Ipod with headphones and quit disturbing everyone around you. If you want to listen to the same music as your buddies.. well then.. Just program them up with the same tunes. Problem solved.