So what do you call english quebeckers?

And do you pronounce it Kweebs or Keebs?

I call Vermonters plaid-wearing patchouli-smelling pseudo-socialist trustafarians who suck at the cock of Phish.

So we're all good, right?

Well, educate yourself a little more on a style of climbing with way more history than yours.

One of these people is writing like a child. The other is laughing.

Actually, I've read a fair bit about the progression of aid climbing, in regards to El Cap.

And truth be told, I don't have any problems with the alteration/destruction of the rock up there. But when people tell me that this is ok, while placing a bolt is not, I think that's stupid.

Generally, the only thing that makes clean aid possible on these big walls is the hundreds of pin scars from earlier parties. To come along later, climb them clean, and then hold yourself on some sort of ethical pedestal smacks of hypocrisy. As evidence, I point you to every route on El Cap.

And it was nice of you to disregard the fact that every El Cap route has fixed gear on it.

At the end of this little discussion, I can really only conclude that you're a troll. You've never answered any questions put to you, just dodged them with a trite "that's nice" or something. Nice job!

If they're obnoxious enough whilst vacationing here, they are Queebs too.

Why "Kweeb", of course. How do you pronounce it?

I resent that. I don't own a stitch of plaid.

So we're all good, right?

I usually just pass through Vermont on my way to some place more interesting. Like Gorham, NH.

you’re dying to hit the Old Navy at the Church street market, aren’t you?

You do know I'm taking the piss, don't you?

I'm not making a huge deal. I'm just having fun here.


The route was climbed without bolts.


Good for you.


I said that?


I know what goes into it. What I find funny is that if someone objects to an aid line being bolted, the reply they get is "stop being a crybaby LCD just because you can't climb as hard as sharma." Even though Sharma couldn't climb the route as it was.


That's too bad.


What's lame is that everyone must make way for sport climbers. Call is the wave of the future. I'll call it by something else.


How do you know no one was climbing it? And who says that the now bolted line will be "cutting edge"?


What? Now who is the one showing ignorance here? Big walls wouldn't be possible without bolts? HA! What a joke!



I climb what I feel like. The difference it that I don't alter established routes to suit my purposes. I adapt to the route, not adapt the route to suit me.

But you can keep kissing Sharma's ass while he top-ropes bolted lines in the gym, which btw, I don't frown upon because he looked like he was enjoying himself.

Particularly since Changling was making such an ass out of herself and appears to reside in Montreal.

Making an ass of myself? I resent that. :x

Making an ass of myself? I resent that. :x

Making an ass of myself? I resent that. :x

The facts are - the "route" was only ever aided. Therefore it was not climbed,

Considering that the line was only for aid practice, I doubt it's much of a loss, but some of you guys are really funny thinking that Sharma can do whatever he wants because he climbs hard sport routes, even if it includes placing bolts on an established route which he didn't even climb. Basically, he littered the route.

1. What is your aid exp. anyway?

2. Have you ever even climbed in Squamish?

3. What aid routes?

4. Are you even familier with the line in question?

5. Did you learn to aid in Montreal?

6. I am calling s---.

Still, it's a sad day for RC.com when this is the liveliest thread going.

And actually, I quite like Quebec. You have some good rock, great ice, and the best redlight district on the east coast....Viv Rue St. Catherine! (or something like that)...

-Nubbler

PS-

The Biodome is pretty cool too. Nice Beaver.

What? Now who is the one showing ignorance here? Big walls wouldn't be possible without bolts? HA! What a joke!

Ain't that the truth. Why, I've been reduced to Canadian-baiting just to try and liven things up a bit. Ambler, you're from New England...surely you appreciate taking the piss out of our neighbors to the north a bit, no? It's all in good fun, of course.

Name the bolt free big walls, please.

Dod At Alla/Prektige Blonde Vikinger (Death to All/Pretty Blond Vikings).

VI, 5.11, A4. 600 meters (plus 400 meter approach ramp). First and only ascent in 10 days in winter 1986 by Aslak Aastorp, Oyvind Vadla, Bernt Pedersen, and Oystein Bardsnes. The first ascentionists did not have to place a single bolt on this magnificent overhanging crack and corner system on the right margin of the wall. The difficult approach to this route up a1500 foot ramp system is perhaps easier in winter, as it has caused a few failed attempts to repeat the route in summer. The first half of this route goes up thin aid cracks in clean compact granite (similar to the right side of El Cap), while the latter half continues up steep free climbing cracks. Tops out at the Bruraskaret Col, one of the spots where the BASE jumpers launch from. NOTE: In the small nearby town of Andalsnes, where all the town folks are familiar with the routes and climbers of the Troll, "Dod at Alla" has been renamed "The Cathedral" for tourist industry reasons. "Prektige" is difficult to translate (the direct translation means "excellent"), but infers a goody two-shoes meaning.

Name the bolt free big walls, please.

W. Face of El Cap, FA 1967, 1 bolt

How many bolts do modern parties need, just to aid them?

Sharma, or whomever, has IMPROVED the route, and is attempting to actually CLIMB IT!

There is no way you can say that bolting a route is somehow bringing a route down whilst spewing the love of AIDING!

AID is not CLIMBING! I don't AID because I choose to climb instead.

I am absolutely astounded that somone can beleive that pounding pins rurps, nails, etc . . . into rock with a hammer on a regular basis is somehow less damaging than having fixed protection.

I truely hope that I have been trolled and/or that you simply like to provoke argument and that you don't actually subscribe to the views you have been spewing.