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offwidthclimber
Jul 2, 2003, 6:25 AM
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you should never climb with people who are sober. belaying is a dangerously boring activity, only to be undertaken by people who are fuckerd up so much that they find belaying to be fun and engaging.
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overlord
Jul 2, 2003, 8:20 AM
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In reply to: you should never climb with people who are sober. belaying is a dangerously boring activity, only to be undertaken by people who are f___ up so much that they find belaying to be fun and engaging.
belying is not really boring. its just a part of climbing. i usually dont get bored. but i only belay sports. and ma and my partners usually dont hangdog.
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dingus
Jul 2, 2003, 3:41 PM
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In reply to: Ooo... invective. And backhanded, too. Very nice. To put this simply: yes, if I can do all the things you describe after 20+ hours on the move in horribly frigid conditions with little water and no food then I'm not terribly worried how I'll perform at a crag after a beer. Not even the same sport, champ.
But that is a given milkman.
DMT
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hunter
Jul 2, 2003, 4:48 PM
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I'm one of those nasty straight and sober folks at the craig! :)
I've been on both sides of the fence though. IMO that if you imbibe frequently then the effects are limited and calming (not reckless, at least in moderate quanitity). I used to consume startling quanties various substances and still maintain a normal life (if that's what one could call it). A six pack would not even phase me at the time. Now however, 3 beers and I'm not fit to be doing anything potentially life threatening. It's all about built up tolorances.
Be respectful of others. Live your life as you see fit. Know your limits.
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robbovius
Jul 2, 2003, 5:30 PM
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In reply to: wow, now I know what subject to use if I ever want a troll that will be bitten and bitten hard. :shock:
uhhm, what? Chicks and Boobies?
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veggieclimber
Jul 2, 2003, 6:22 PM
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I've read this entire thread, and DAMN, I can't believe this discussion has gone on this long. Just thought I would add my two cents.
I question anyone who believes that drinking in any capacity does not effect them. The reason people use drugs is because it alters your state of mind. Most drugs(including alcohol) do this by adversely affecting your brain, impaired judgement and poor motor skills, however they also happen to release endorphins, that happy little chemical that makes you feel good. So despite the fact that you believe you are unaffected, that is just the endorphins in your brain covering for the damage being done.
Also I am slightly insulted by many of you assuming I am some sort of mormonizing jesus freak who is trying to rain on your party. I've made a decsion to stay clean. This decision was based on the fact that things like drugs, even caffeine, destroy your body, and that doesn't make me climb better. It just seems logical to me, there is no religous influence. Being that drugs impair your ability to preform and many climbers wish to perform better, it would seem logical for them not to use.
If you want to use mind altering substances, go for it, please don't bring them to the crags, and please don't tell me I am ruining your life by not using them, and asking you not to use them in public places.
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dingus
Jul 2, 2003, 6:57 PM
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In reply to: If you want to use mind altering substances, go for it, please don't bring them to the crags, and please don't tell me I am ruining your life by not using them, and asking you not to use them in public places.
Hey Zeus Crime in Italy, you sound like some sort of mormonizing jesus freak! Don't tell me I'm ruining my life. Don't tell me what to do. Don't tell me what to bring to the crags.
Or I'll do the same for you.
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mewalrus
Jul 6, 2003, 5:36 AM
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In reply to: The reason people use drugs is because it alters your state of mind. Most drugs(including alcohol) do this by adversely affecting your brain, impaired judgement and poor motor skills, however they also happen to release endorphins, that happy little chemical that makes you feel good. So despite the fact that you believe you are unaffected, that is just the endorphins in your brain covering for the damage being done.
I would venture to say that most of us here climb because we enjoy the DRUGS climbing releases into our brains. We're all druggies, thats how i see it.
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apollodorus
Jul 6, 2003, 5:44 AM
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Note to self: NEVER stay up most of the night on a wall, drinking whiskey to stay warm by the campfire (don't even ask about that one) instead of getting into the sleeping bag. The next day you will still be drunk, and getting a hangover that starts at noon and lasts until you can finally get settled and asleep at the next bivi is not fun. At best, you will be hurting. At worst, you could cause a serious accident.
Beer is for after the climb, not during. I won't comment on using pot, LSD or mushrooms while climbing because I've always been too scared to try that. I've seen it work for others, but was scared just watching them.
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