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Gmburns2000
Feb 24, 2010, 9:14 PM
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kriso9tails wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: kriso9tails wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: Just go climb baby, and let the world sort itself out on its own. No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as any manner of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. ah yes, (unless I'm misinterpreting this), but it's less about it affecting us and more about how we let it affect us right?  Just because a man's death diminishes me it doesn't mean I'm diminished to nothing; I'll deal with what I've got. We all invest ourselves into this 'sport'/ community/ wankery to a varying degrees. It's impossible not to have at least some level of attachment to what goes on outside of ourselves. I'm not going to dictate how other people view the sport, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to be involved. I'm part of the world, so to a certain degree I am going to be part of that sorting when it sorts itself out. I'm not going to boycott climbing in the Olympics or disparage any athletes that want to participate should they get the chance, but neither will I support nor celebrate the inclusion of climbing in the games.
yeah, I'm probably just on the other side of the spectrum, but not by much. I won't be actively pushing for it's inclusion, but i won't be disappointed if it gets included. I may or may not watch it, but it definitely won't affect my climbing or Olympics obsession.
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tom550
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i climb for my self, but when im alone climbing i just dont push as hard. when im with people who also climb then i tend to push harder. not really to show off but just there there kinda for support. the people i climb with are always chearing me on. if i was good enough to make it to the olimics then it would be nice to be with others who climb the same. it could also be a social event to meat new climbers to climb with. you cant tell me you love to go climb by your self all the time. at times its nice to be alone but not all the time.
i can see good and bad about rock climbing olimics.
also if it was rope climbing that would just suck.
but if it were boldering it would be somewhat intresting. some of you people say it would be boaring to watch but think of half the olimic sports. most of then have no excitement in them. like whatever that sport is where they push a rock on ice. who sits there and watches that for 2 hours.
if we didnt compete with our self then we would never get anything done. think about it even if your showing off your doing that to make you feel good. or if you just want to get the next move that is for you. i garentee most climbers just climb for them self. i have really only seen a few people who show off, but they stop climbing after a while. when ever i show off its mainly to help others with problems they cant do. i see a guy who is having trouble with a move that can easily be dont then i would help him out if he wanted.
if most of you dont want it to become a sport then it probably wont take off. if it does it would be those few guys who show off who really want to become a part of it. most true climbers which most likely would be the best ones wouldnt want to have anything to do with the sport. because they climb for themself. if a team appeared who payed their team like baseball then you would see a completely didfferent type of climbers. but people dont pay us. mabie sponser but not pay. so we really dont gain anything out of it other than that we like doing it.
look at how many of you wouldnt want this. that just shows that this will never happen. i just think it would be cool to see some climbing on tv.
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zeke_sf
Feb 24, 2010, 11:22 PM
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jcoop wrote: zeke_sf wrote: jcoop wrote: Sorry my mood isn't particularly light. On this forum, if you have an opinion that doesn't fit the mindset of the climbers then you are often dismissed with a couple of petty insults and no substance. (see: half of this thread) I realize yours wasn't like that, but the other comments are are irritating. So be irritated. Plenty of substance has been provided, you just don't agree with the reasons. A medal around a countryman or woman's neck isn't going to change the way I look at this sport, no matter how you argue it. If you've read the thread, then you know that I've been very open to discussion and accepting of other people's ideas. I think most of my posts and most of the discussions I've been involved in have been very civil and somewhat productive. What irritates me is people who write one line of text and thing they're the wittiest person in the world because of it and then having a thread that could have been a productive discussion of ideas devolve into name calling and grammar nazis. And let me reiterate, I don't want to change the way you look at the sport. I don't think I've made any attempt at doing that. In fact, I'm asking for the opposite. I'm asking for people to be open and accepting to the way other people look at the sport.
Why does anybody else have to be open and accepting about an almost completely different sport than they practice? I think a lot of people are saying, fine, do what you want, we just don't care that much. If you want to accept that many climbers don't want and/or don't care about climbing in the olympics, you'll have come some distance in this discussion.
You are placing the burden of proof on the wrong doorstep asking us to enlighten you why climbing shouldn't be an olympic sport. Fact is, it isn't, and you haven't proven why most climbers should care. I think it's a good thing most climbers don't care. I think it's great we're so egocentric and self-involved, we don't care too much what the "best and brightest" are doing and we go out and do it for ourselves. How many American football fans do you see playing football? How many figure skater fans do you see figure skating? I don't want to see climbing as a commodity for the tubby masses to lap up on their television screens so they can they can achieve something by proxy. I don't want to see parents pushing kids into gyms trying to turn out the next Chris Sharma and making the whole exercise about as fun as a gymnastics routine. I want the unwashed masses to go out there and get off their medal loving asses and go do something themselves.
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johnwesely
Feb 24, 2010, 11:39 PM
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tom550 wrote: if i was good enough to make it to the olimics then it would be nice to be with others who climb the same.
I know that you are a troll and all. But seriously, if you are going to spell Olympics wrong every single time, then spell it in a different wrong way every time. I just can't believe that someone would think olimics is the proper spelling. I just can't. It would make me too depressed.
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johnwesely
Feb 24, 2010, 11:40 PM
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gmggg wrote: Ry_ wrote: /IMHO/ The last thing I want is for climbing to be an olympic sport, or even gather more international exposure for that matter. True climbing is a lifestyle, not a sport. Olympic sport climbing will degrade us all. I would rake you over the coals for these few moronic sentences. But it is soooo much easier just to let the stupidity stand on it's own.
Watch out, the Europeans might find out about climbing...
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bill413
Feb 25, 2010, 1:14 AM
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tom550 wrote: if i was good enough to make it to the olimics then it would be nice to be with others who climb the same.
If you were good enough to make it, you would already be climbing with others who climb at similar levels - look at the company that the top climbers travel in, who they climb with, where they go.
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johnwesely
Feb 25, 2010, 2:01 AM
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bill413 wrote: tom550 wrote: if i was good enough to make it to the olimics then it would be nice to be with others who climb the same. If you were good enough to make it, you would already be climbing with others who climb at similar levels - look at the company that the top climbers travel in, who they climb with, where they go.
I am pretty sure that Sharma lets Tom550 climb with him just so he can catch a ride in that sweet ride!
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rtwilli4
Feb 25, 2010, 3:19 AM
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jcoop wrote: As climbers, why would we not want climbing to be an Olympic sport? Enlighten me.
Without reading the last billion posts, I'm not sure if we're even on topic here anymore. Anyways, take a look at snowboarding, and even skiing. You want climbing to be like those sports? Put it in the Olympics!
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davidnn5
Feb 25, 2010, 3:28 AM
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rtwilli4 wrote: jcoop wrote: As climbers, why would we not want climbing to be an Olympic sport? Enlighten me. Without reading the last billion posts, I'm not sure if we're even on topic here anymore. Anyways, take a look at snowboarding, and even skiing. You want climbing to be like those sports? Put it in the Olympics!
RC.com: if you can't come up with something original, just repeat the same thing hundreds have said before you.
Ooh that was so JT512-esqe. I feel dirty.
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dingus
Feb 25, 2010, 2:03 PM
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I wonder if there is correlation"
Climbing in Olympics = fan of pro team sports (Football, baseball, basketball, hockey, futbol, etc.)
Climbing not in Olympics = disdainful of pro team sports.
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Climbing in the Olympics = fan of road biking, Lance Armstrong crotch sniffers lol
Climbing not in Olympics = probably fans of road biking too, but not fans of hero crushes and crotch sniffing
Whaddaya think?
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johnwesely
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dingus wrote: I wonder if there is correlation" Climbing in Olympics = fan of pro team sports (Football, baseball, basketball, hockey, futbol, etc.) Climbing not in Olympics = disdainful of pro team sports. +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Climbing in the Olympics = fan of road biking, Lance Armstrong crotch sniffers lol Climbing not in Olympics = probably fans of road biking too, but not fans of hero crushes and crotch sniffing Whaddaya think? DMT
You can sniff Lance's crotch? How come no one ever told me?
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zeke_sf
Feb 25, 2010, 2:24 PM
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johnwesely wrote: dingus wrote: I wonder if there is correlation" Climbing in Olympics = fan of pro team sports (Football, baseball, basketball, hockey, futbol, etc.) Climbing not in Olympics = disdainful of pro team sports. +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Climbing in the Olympics = fan of road biking, Lance Armstrong crotch sniffers lol Climbing not in Olympics = probably fans of road biking too, but not fans of hero crushes and crotch sniffing Whaddaya think? DMT You can sniff Lance's crotch? How come no one ever told me?
You've clearly never road biked.
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camhead
Feb 25, 2010, 2:37 PM
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dingus wrote: I wonder if there is correlation" Climbing in Olympics = fan of pro team sports (Football, baseball, basketball, hockey, futbol, etc.) Climbing not in Olympics = disdainful of pro team sports. +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Climbing in the Olympics = fan of road biking, Lance Armstrong crotch sniffers lol Climbing not in Olympics = probably fans of road biking too, but not fans of hero crushes and crotch sniffing Whaddaya think? DMT
I agree.
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gmggg
Feb 25, 2010, 2:52 PM
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dingus wrote: I wonder if there is correlation" Climbing in Olympics = fan of pro team sports (Football, baseball, basketball, hockey, futbol, etc.) Climbing not in Olympics = disdainful of pro team sports. +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Climbing in the Olympics = fan of road biking, Lance Armstrong crotch sniffers lol Climbing not in Olympics = probably fans of road biking too, but not fans of hero crushes and crotch sniffing Whaddaya think? DMT
+1
You can also add something about jingoism and/or NASCAR as well...
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bill413
Feb 25, 2010, 4:02 PM
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gmggg wrote: dingus wrote: I wonder if there is correlation" Climbing in Olympics = fan of pro team sports (Football, baseball, basketball, hockey, futbol, etc.) Climbing not in Olympics = disdainful of pro team sports. +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Climbing in the Olympics = fan of road biking, Lance Armstrong crotch sniffers lol Climbing not in Olympics = probably fans of road biking too, but not fans of hero crushes and crotch sniffing Whaddaya think? DMT +1 You can also add something about jingoism and/or NASCAR as well...
Climbing in NASCAR? I'm not sure I can quite envision how it would be.
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dingus
Feb 25, 2010, 4:05 PM
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bill413 wrote: gmggg wrote: dingus wrote: I wonder if there is correlation" Climbing in Olympics = fan of pro team sports (Football, baseball, basketball, hockey, futbol, etc.) Climbing not in Olympics = disdainful of pro team sports. +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Climbing in the Olympics = fan of road biking, Lance Armstrong crotch sniffers lol Climbing not in Olympics = probably fans of road biking too, but not fans of hero crushes and crotch sniffing Whaddaya think? DMT +1 You can also add something about jingoism and/or NASCAR as well... Climbing in NASCAR? I'm not sure I can quite envision how it would be.
NASCAR bouldering circuit is all low ball stuff, like climbing in Kansas.
DMT
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dingus
Feb 25, 2010, 4:30 PM
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How DO they get the checkered flag up there, anyway?
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Feb 25, 2010, 4:38 PM
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dingus wrote: How DO they get the checkered flag up there, anyway? DMT
Touché!
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Gmburns2000
Feb 25, 2010, 4:50 PM
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dingus wrote: I wonder if there is correlation" Climbing in Olympics = fan of pro team sports (Football, baseball, basketball, hockey, futbol, etc.) Climbing not in Olympics = disdainful of pro team sports. +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Climbing in the Olympics = fan of road biking, Lance Armstrong crotch sniffers lol Climbing not in Olympics = probably fans of road biking too, but not fans of hero crushes and crotch sniffing Whaddaya think? DMT
I'm just curious why you think there is a link. I am a fan of pro sports teams, so I make your list. I also played baseball in college, but I could never play a team sport these days, at least not passionately. I never was that kid who fit in and played well on teams, so climbing has really become a fantastic sport for me and my individualistic attitude. I'm often bummed that I didn't discover it sooner like I did mtn biking and kayaking (neither of which really gave me the passion that climbing gives me).
If you're saying that folks who are fans of team sports are less individualistic then I think that is wrong by a thousand degrees. Personally I could give two shits about how united a team is so long as my team wins. I really enjoy watching the games, and I often do so alone because I don't want anyone disrupting my entertainment (kinda like the jerk who talks during movies ). But I suspect my interpretation of what you said is wrong, so I'm curious as to what you mean.
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dingus
Feb 25, 2010, 5:25 PM
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You didn't say if you want climbing in the Olympics or not.....
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man, this thing really blew up!
look @ snowboarding: that shawn white kid is making boatloads of money, showing up everywhere... i think that kind of cash and fame would lure the top U.S. athletes, even the dirt bags.
and it would be nice to see some top climbers make some money, instead of having to have bake sales in their old age to afford medical care. don't hate becasue you're too old/weak to participate.
what if you had a kid that was another ondra, wouldn't you want that kid to have a chance @ the big time?
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zeke_sf
Feb 25, 2010, 5:50 PM
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More overpaid sports stars serving the hype industry. Woo!
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Gmburns2000
Feb 25, 2010, 6:22 PM
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dingus wrote: You didn't say if you want climbing in the Olympics or not..... DMT
actually I did (I do, well, I wouldn't promote it but I would enjoy it if it were in the Olympics), but you probably skipped right by it with all the other long points that were made. 
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Gmburns2000 wrote: dingus wrote: You didn't say if you want climbing in the Olympics or not..... DMT actually I did (I do, well, I wouldn't promote it but I would enjoy it if it were in the Olympics), but you probably skipped right by it with all the other long points that were made.
So... your personal views exemplify Dingus's theory, but you wish to make the point that he is wrong? Heh.
Personally, I've always really been turned off by the hero worship and crass commercialism that comes with both professional sports and the Olympics. It encourages passive consumption by viewers, not active participation.
I don't want climbing in the Olympics. And when I lived in Utah, I was one of the ones who wanted the 2002 games to stay the hell out. heh.
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