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Jay

Word.

But is there something new we didn't already all know?

I know. It's, like, 20-year-old news.

Jay

Also, it scares the shit out of sport climbers. But, that's just another thing that we all know.

Curt

Also, it scares the shit out of sport climbers. But, that's just another thing that we all know.

Curt

Now Curt, I noticed that you had a FA on a 2 bolt slab start to Hyperion. I'm gonna chalk it up to youth and ignorance.

d.

HA!

"A wasteland of... low angle wasteland." --JM (and his scrib)

The only claim to fame Josh has these days, is that it is the fashionable place for washed up hasbeens to move to, while they wait for death. A place cheap enough and warm enough, with plenty of other washouts in residence to relive thier past days of glory with. "You should have seen us back in the day, we were so cool and bitchin at the same time!"

The only claim to fame Josh has these days, is that it is the fashionable place for washed up hasbeens to move to, while they wait for death. A place cheap enough and warm enough, with plenty of other washouts in residence to relive thier past days of glory with. "You should have seen us back in the day, we were so cool and bitchin at the same time!"

HAHA!!!1

The only claim to fame Josh has these days, is that it is the fashionable place for washed up hasbeens to move to, while they wait for death.

Well it may be a place for washed up has-beens, but it's certainly no place for washed up never-will-be's.

Wait for death... heh. Some people don't have to wait long there, unfortunately.

Trad climbers are so easy to troll. People playfully bag on "their" area and they come out swinging and spraying like somebody called their mother a slut. I've been to JTree several times, and would like to go a couple times this season. I almost always go for the social aspect, however. I simply don't care for the style of climbing (unless we're on tips/finger cracks). The movement is unappealing, the rock quality is hit and miss, and yes, the protection is unnecessarily lacking for somebody reared on solid bolts in cleaned up rock (not all climbing is required to be runout, but if you prefer the headgame, that's cool. I don't). I figured out 5 years ago that it's "not my bag" the same way New Jack or Charleston or Shelf likely isn't the "bag" of people who really dig "the tree." But I don't feel the need to ACTUALLY make it personal. It's like getting genuinely upset at somebody who prefers herbal tea to black coffee.

Keep up the good press, the more we can keep the posers and losers outta here the better. It will also keep the accident rate down when the sport climbers and gymbees come out here to "crank some rad 5.11's" and end up in the trauma ward because they don't know how to climb anything without a bolt at their feet and head.

Whoever spouted about good routes being "grainy" definately doesn't know how to climb.

Someone said it’s a beautiful place. Another said “fine, don’t go... one less person to stand behind at Crossroads”.

"And why all this mention of Jay, aside from the fact that he made the OP? Of course I'm close with Jay but I don't know why that's getting all the attention in this thread that it is. "

Because it's a joke. Jay's poking fun, and he's getting both barrels back. Nothing more, nothing less.

And besides, JAY STARTED IT!

And a guy who on-sights 5.13 said "What else is new?"

Y'all are just firing blanks, though.

Jay

Y'all are just firing blanks, though.

Jay

Well Jay, at least socal "likes you and has a ton of respect for you", he told me I was a "washed up never-will-be".

Sorry you tard climbers got your panties in a bunch, but the reality is, even for a trad area, Josh is just not that great. 6,000 routes or 20,000 routes, only a hundred or so are any good, and if you are a decent climber there might be only 40 that are worth going to. A serious climber could do everything that is worth doing in a week. Now I admit, back in the 80's josh was a pretty good place to climb, but it's the new millenium, junky, lowangle, easy routes is not what happening anymore. If it wasn't for the nice weather during the cold winter, Josh would be as dead as Sadam.

Now, if the CSI team takes over New Jack, we'll mutiny! Steep mystery choss is precious!

Don't pay too much attention to the Sporties.
They are just upset because the FROGS
took over their premier climbing area at Williamson.
I wish they would open it back up, so the sporties would stop whining, and stay away from JT.

Cosmiccragsman

Yup, pretty much. Now go clip a bolt.

Pretty funny banter from both sides....


So this is a pissing contest over whether Jtree is 'hot or not'?

"Josh is soooo 80's!"


Could someone clue me into what's cool so I can jump on the bandwagon?

cause this is what's all about right?

Climbsomething? Jay?

where are the cool kids climbing?

I haven't really been reading the rags so I guess I'm out of the loop....

bwahahahahahahahaha


Tom

Climbing in the 'lame' backwaters - and loving life....

At this time of the year, the cool kids are climbing at the Surf Bowl or Tonsai

I've noticed that over a certain age, the image conscious do well to hang with the hasbeens as opposed to the kewl kids.

if you are a decent climber there might be only 40 that are worth going to.

I attempt to be a decent climber some days. Jack what's the list of 40?

-Murf

I don't have a guide handy, nor have I been a regular local for many years, so I'm sure I'll miss a few. That being said, I would certainly think these routes, that I have been to, would be on the list.

SNIP a good list

For the truely talented climbers I would add these routes, that I haven't tried, to the list.

NWO
Chain of Addiction
Hydra
La Machine

I suspect, though I haven't tried, these routes might also make the list.

Eagle Talons
Tomahawk
Little Big Horn
Ionic Strength

Add a handful of eaisier classics, even if just for historical purposes, that I have been to.

Jug Line
Vector
Spiderline
Morongo Man
Wangerbanger
29 Palms
Hidden Arch

The entire southwest is far too full of itself.

The entire southwest is far too full of itself.

You'd be cranky too, if the best crag in your immediate area was JTree

What 'd I miss?

Do you actually read the threads or do you just blindly support whatever Jay says? You’re his little yes man. You’re like that little dog in the Tom and Jerry cartoons that follows the big bulldog around agreeing with whatever he says: “What are we going to do today Spike? Huh Spike? That was funny Spike. You’re so smart Spike. We gonna teach that cat a lesson today Spike?”

This is a Trad forum and Jay posted a rather obvious troll about JTree. What do you expect? On top of that, nobody really took the bait, nor got upset. I’m not sure what thread you were reading. Someone said it’s a beautiful place. Another said “fine, don’t go... one less person to stand behind at Crossroads”. Curt tossed in a one liner or two and we called it a thread. What’s the big deal.

Is there any point to your post? It seems like worthless drivel where you’re trying to make a point but forgot what it is. So you don’t like the style of climbing there, nobody cares. As you said “the protection is unnecessarily lacking for somebody reared on solid bolts”... well no shit, it’s not sport climbing. I don’t know how you claim unnecessarily lacking, most of JTree is trad and traditionally bolted slab climbs. You want sport climbing, go to a sport climbing venue. Don’t get pissed at grasshopper because he can’t make honey, he’s not a fucking bee.

I've noticed that over a certain age, the image-conscious do well to hang with the has-beens as opposed to the kewl kids.

Go to that chosspile near Barstow"

Curt

Did I say "decent"? I meant a docent climber.

I swear one of these days I'll go sport climbing!

- Murf

I guess you've missed my previous postings on the subject.... so I summarize. NJC is a trashy, choss pile in the middle of nowhere. The only thing this place has going for it is, it is steeper than all the other local choss piles and it's free.... Well that and it's not Josh.

Hey, I've already got plenty of desert choss to boulder on here--with moves as hard as anything you've got at NJC, I bet. If you don't believe me, come on over.

Curt

I don't believe you.
Memorial day weekend, Flagstaff.......prove it.

I have to prove it to you again? Sounds like fun though--count me in.

Curt

I was a shitty climber back then......I'm still a shitty climber but I'm stronger now.
Besides if memory serves, Bob D sent everything in sight and you stood aroun uh I mean spotted him.