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climbsomething
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Wait for death... heh. Some people don't have to wait long there, unfortunately.
Trad climbers are so easy to troll. People playfully bag on "their" area and they come out swinging and spraying like somebody called their mother a slut. I've been to JTree several times, and would like to go a couple times this season. I almost always go for the social aspect, however. I simply don't care for the style of climbing (unless we're on tips/finger cracks). The movement is unappealing, the rock quality is hit and miss, and yes, the protection is unnecessarily lacking for somebody reared on solid bolts in cleaned up rock (not all climbing is required to be runout, but if you prefer the headgame, that's cool. I don't). I figured out 5 years ago that it's "not my bag" the same way New Jack or Charleston or Shelf likely isn't the "bag" of people who really dig "the tree." But I don't feel the need to ACTUALLY make it personal. It's like getting genuinely upset at somebody who prefers herbal tea to black coffee.
Two of my favorite climbs ever are at Eldo, and at Oak Creek Overlook. But if you want to call me names based on my overall sport climbing preference, go ahead boys, I guess it'll make you feel better.
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socalclimber
Jan 15, 2007, 10:11 PM
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Well, then you rate
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quiteatingmysteak
Jan 15, 2007, 10:25 PM
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Joshua tree has more routes than most STATES. Hard to say "Josh doesnt have ___" because odds are, it does.
There are sport climbs that are "well" protected, world class boulder problems, awesome bold climbs, good cracks (hint -- go somewhere other than feudal wall and short wall), HARD routes, really anything. Its just a matter of finding it.
Looks a lot cooler than most places too. I love NJC, good place to climb, but the bro's and their bikes/paintballguns/RV's/shotguns/beerstheydontshare really kill the aesthetics
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devils_advocate
Jan 15, 2007, 10:36 PM
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climbsomething wrote: Wait for death... heh. Some people don't have to wait long there, unfortunately. Trad climbers are so easy to troll. People playfully bag on "their" area and they come out swinging and spraying like somebody called their mother a slut. I've been to JTree several times, and would like to go a couple times this season. I almost always go for the social aspect, however. I simply don't care for the style of climbing (unless we're on tips/finger cracks). The movement is unappealing, the rock quality is hit and miss, and yes, the protection is unnecessarily lacking for somebody reared on solid bolts in cleaned up rock (not all climbing is required to be runout, but if you prefer the headgame, that's cool. I don't). I figured out 5 years ago that it's "not my bag" the same way New Jack or Charleston or Shelf likely isn't the "bag" of people who really dig "the tree." But I don't feel the need to ACTUALLY make it personal. It's like getting genuinely upset at somebody who prefers herbal tea to black coffee.
Do you actually read the threads or do you just blindly support whatever Jay says? You’re his little yes man. You’re like that little dog in the Tom and Jerry cartoons that follows the big bulldog around agreeing with whatever he says: “What are we going to do today Spike? Huh Spike? That was funny Spike. You’re so smart Spike. We gonna teach that cat a lesson today Spike?”
This is a Trad forum and Jay posted a rather obvious troll about JTree. What do you expect? On top of that, nobody really took the bait, nor got upset. I’m not sure what thread you were reading. Someone said it’s a beautiful place. Another said “fine, don’t go... one less person to stand behind at Crossroads”. Curt tossed in a one liner or two and we called it a thread. What’s the big deal.
Is there any point to your post? It seems like worthless drivel where you’re trying to make a point but forgot what it is. So you don’t like the style of climbing there, nobody cares. As you said “the protection is unnecessarily lacking for somebody reared on solid bolts”... well no shit, it’s not sport climbing. I don’t know how you claim unnecessarily lacking, most of JTree is trad and traditionally bolted slab climbs. You want sport climbing, go to a sport climbing venue. Don’t get pissed at grasshopper because he can’t make honey, he’s not a fucking bee.
“Gosh Spike, that sure was a great troll Spike”
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climbsomething
Jan 15, 2007, 10:48 PM
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I knew it would make you feel better.
This person sounds really chipper, by the way. Not at all bitter:
In reply to: Keep up the good press, the more we can keep the posers and losers outta here the better. It will also keep the accident rate down when the sport climbers and gymbees come out here to "crank some rad 5.11's" and end up in the trauma ward because they don't know how to climb anything without a bolt at their feet and head. Whoever spouted about good routes being "grainy" definately doesn't know how to climb.
Now, go enjoy some overpriced, overhyped culinary choss at Crossroads and flex at Nomad.
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devils_advocate
Jan 15, 2007, 11:09 PM
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And like I said before, fine, the less at Crossroads the better. But I hardly consider $6.50 for a sandwich and home-made soup overpriced. I’m not sure where you eat, but I’m sure the McFood is delicious.
Go to a gearshop and flex? I thought that’s what sport climbers did?
Be sure to let me know when your actually going to make a point so I can be prepared. My mind starts to drift after a couple lines of your unfounded claims that something is bad because you don’t hang out there. Why the hell do you think we spend so much time there?
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climbsomething
Jan 15, 2007, 11:27 PM
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Look, I was trying to nicely say that JTree isn't as great as people like to moon that it is, without sounding overly hypocritical. It does have redeeming qualities but not enough to garner the hype that it still gets.
I knew this well before I met Jay... who I did not mention in my earlier post.
This thread is typical of what happens when some people who actually know JTree obviously go to poke the Super Serious Locals playfully in the ribs, and you fly off the fucking handle and dig up some tired anti-sport climbing cliches, which only proves their point. Agreeing to disagree is just not something everybody is capable of doing, I guess.
I think a lot of people spend a lot of time there because it looks and sounds le kewl. See Jack's post- at the risk of sounding like I drink through Jack's straw too (huh huh huh? That's real funny, right, huh? Did I tell them that you told them Jack? Hurr)
Was that too long and windy for you? Sorry.
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jt512
Jan 15, 2007, 11:56 PM
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devils_advocate wrote: Someone said it’s a beautiful place. Another said “fine, don’t go... one less person to stand behind at Crossroads”.
And a guy who on-sights 5.13 said "What else is new?"
Jay
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socalclimber
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"Keep up the good press, the more we can keep the posers and losers outta here the better. It will also keep the accident rate down when the sport climbers and gymbees come out here to "crank some rad 5.11's" and end up in the trauma ward because they don't know how to climb anything without a bolt at their feet and head.
Whoever spouted about good routes being "grainy" definately doesn't know how to climb."
Uh, that would be me, and no, I'm not bitter. While I haven't seem him in a number of years, I like Jay, and have a ton of respect for him. All's I was doing was to "toss the salad" a bit. Sorry if you took it the wrong way.
Jesus, who pee'd in your Cheerios?
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climbsomething
Jan 16, 2007, 12:46 AM
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Yeah, I did take it a certain way, but to be honest, it sounded sincerely angry, even with all those laughy faces. *shrug* You say you didn't mean it that way, so I believe you, but without the inflection of being said in person, it sounded otherwise.
And if anybody pissed in my cheerios, it was d_a, when I was merely granting that 1) JTree is in fact not for everybody, and 2) there's no need to personally attack people just for not liking JTree and/or agreeing with other people who don't. Its a fucking CLIMBING AREA!
And why all this mention of Jay, aside from the fact that he made the OP? Of course I'm close with Jay but I don't know why that's getting all the attention in this thread that it is.
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socalclimber
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"And why all this mention of Jay, aside from the fact that he made the OP? Of course I'm close with Jay but I don't know why that's getting all the attention in this thread that it is. "
Because it's a joke. Jay's poking fun, and he's getting both barrels back. Nothing more, nothing less.
And besides, JAY STARTED IT!
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jt512
Jan 16, 2007, 1:02 AM
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socalclimber wrote: "And why all this mention of Jay, aside from the fact that he made the OP? Of course I'm close with Jay but I don't know why that's getting all the attention in this thread that it is. " Because it's a joke. Jay's poking fun, and he's getting both barrels back. Nothing more, nothing less. And besides, JAY STARTED IT!
Y'all are just firing blanks, though.
Jay
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socalclimber
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curt
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jt512 wrote: devils_advocate wrote: Someone said it’s a beautiful place. Another said “fine, don’t go... one less person to stand behind at Crossroads”. And a guy who on-sights 5.13 said "What else is new?"
At Joshua Tree? I'd like to see that.
Curt
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quiteatingmysteak
Jan 16, 2007, 1:26 AM
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jt512 wrote: socalclimber wrote: "And why all this mention of Jay, aside from the fact that he made the OP? Of course I'm close with Jay but I don't know why that's getting all the attention in this thread that it is. " Because it's a joke. Jay's poking fun, and he's getting both barrels back. Nothing more, nothing less. And besides, JAY STARTED IT! Y'all are just firing blanks, though. Jay
i think a "thats what she said" is in order here.
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tripperjm
Jan 16, 2007, 1:47 AM
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jt512 wrote: socalclimber wrote: "And why all this mention of Jay, aside from the fact that he made the OP? Of course I'm close with Jay but I don't know why that's getting all the attention in this thread that it is. " Because it's a joke. Jay's poking fun, and he's getting both barrels back. Nothing more, nothing less. And besides, JAY STARTED IT! Y'all are just firing blanks, though. Jay
Well Jay, at least socal "likes you and has a ton of respect for you", he told me I was a "washed up never-will-be".
HAHAHAHA!!!1
Sorry you tard climbers got your panties in a bunch, but the reality is, even for a trad area, Josh is just not that great. 6,000 routes or 20,000 routes, only a hundred or so are any good, and if you are a decent climber there might be only 40 that are worth going to. A serious climber could do everything that is worth doing in a week. Now I admit, back in the 80's josh was a pretty good place to climb, but it's the new millenium, junky, lowangle, easy routes is not what happening anymore. If it wasn't for the nice weather during the cold winter, Josh would be as dead as Sadam.
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tripperjm wrote: Well Jay, at least socal "likes you and has a ton of respect for you", he told me I was a " washed up never-will-be".
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tripperjm wrote: Sorry you tard climbers got your panties in a bunch, but the reality is, even for a trad area, Josh is just not that great. 6,000 routes or 20,000 routes, only a hundred or so are any good, and if you are a decent climber there might be only 40 that are worth going to. A serious climber could do everything that is worth doing in a week. Now I admit, back in the 80's josh was a pretty good place to climb, but it's the new millenium, junky, lowangle, easy routes is not what happening anymore. If it wasn't for the nice weather during the cold winter, Josh would be as dead as Sadam.
It's true--you heard it here. Don't go to JT. Go to that chosspile near Barstow instead. I hear it's also better than Yosemite.
Curt
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climbsomething
Jan 16, 2007, 2:22 AM
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But the trembling shotgun-toting inbred tweakers in Barstow are much friendlier and charming than the trembling shotgun-toting inbred tweakers in the Mongoloid Basin!
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Don't pay too much attention to the Sporties.
They are just upset because the FROGS
took over their premier climbing area at Williamson.
I wish they would open it back up, so the sporties would stop whining, and stay away from JT.
Cosmiccragsman
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climbsomething
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Actually, Willie is (was) a summer crag. And the local leaders are working around that.
Now, if the CSI team takes over New Jack, we'll mutiny! Steep mystery winter choss is precious!
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Climbsomething Wrote:
In reply to: Now, if the CSI team takes over New Jack, we'll mutiny! Steep mystery choss is precious!
Just be careful if you go to NJ, over New Years!
The trembling shotgun-toting inbred tweakers,
turn unfriendly, and definitely not charming.
Cosmiccragsman
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tripperjm
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cosmiccragsman wrote: Don't pay too much attention to the Sporties. They are just upset because the FROGS took over their premier climbing area at Williamson. I wish they would open it back up, so the sporties would stop whining, and stay away from JT. Cosmiccragsman
HUH???
Sometimes when you don't know what the fuk you are talking about, it's best to just keep your mouth shut? You don't look as stupid that way. Williamson is a summer area, Josh is a winter area.
In any case, while Williamson had a dozen routes that were worth going to, the new area already has almost that many great routes that are steeper with better movement than Williamson and I have just gotten started. The reality is, while it is a shame that Williamson is closed, It's been a blessing in disguise. I have found enough new, better crags, that it will take me several years to develop. This time around I won't put in as many easy routes, so it will never be as crowed as Williamson was.
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cosmiccragsman
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Hey TJ;
How are you doing?
I know Williamson is a Summer area.
I didn't realize this forum, was based on winter or
summer climbing.
I was just making fun of the sporties, like you all
were making fun of the traddies.
Sounds like your new area is pretty cool.
Give me a pm if you ever need a belayer.
I'd like to check it out.
Dwain
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Jtree locals sure do get their panties in a bunch when you question the quality of the choss pile, errr . . .jtree. Look, after you do the 50 or so quality routes in the place (and they are really fun) the place has little else to offer climbing wise. That said, the area is beautiful, the weather is generally nice, and the wine is usually flowing. So all in in all it is a great time, but come on. Additionally, now that the place is being patrolled by machine gun carrying psychopathic deviants, is a RV generating cash hog, and is overcrowded by washed up desert rats fixated in the 80's or pimple popping pebble wrestlers it is a joke. I will happily stay away. Plus, I already sent your project and have moved onto better things. 
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