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8flood8
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flamer wrote: 8flood8 wrote: metolius pas Do yourself a favor, use a nylon daisy instead. josh
Can you give a little more explanation? Daisy chains are for aid climbing. The small pockets are only rated to 3kn. Each of the loops in a pas is fully rated. People can clip into you if there is no more room on the bolt. I see no advantage of the daisy over the pas, for the purposes in which i use it. (cleaning anchors and multipitch climbing)
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flamer
May 16, 2007, 3:58 PM
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I certainly can....PM coming.
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tigerlilly
May 17, 2007, 7:51 PM
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I would also be interested in the explanation of why a daisy chain is preferable to a Metolius PAS as a personal anchor. Lots of climbers I know use the PAS, self included.
Kathy
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mojomonkey
May 17, 2007, 8:07 PM
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tigerlilly wrote: I would also be interested in the explanation of why a daisy chain is preferable to a Metolius PAS as a personal anchor. Lots of climbers I know use the PAS, self included. Kathy
Any reason for the PM versus posting it here? I don't use either but would like to hear this if I ever get around to considering either...
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flamer
May 17, 2007, 9:28 PM
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mojomonkey wrote: Any reason for the PM versus posting it here?
To many arm chair mountaineers/techy no it alls around here...and I don't feel like playing games.
Here is all I'm going to tell you. Those pas device's aren't as "strong" as you think. IF you are going to use any kind of "tether" the safest thing to use is a NYLON (NOT SPECTRA) daisy chain or something similiar.
Just remember, always tie in with the rope.
josh
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May 17, 2007, 9:47 PM
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reno
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majid_sabet wrote: I have some recent images of how screamers and daisy survived the fall test, I mean load decked but daisies were still hanging out there . Do you guys want to see them ? Have a guy with current CPR and an AED ready to assist you in event of a heart attack .
I have some images where a climber was wearing a helmet and fell and died. Do you want to see them?
Have a guy with current CPR.... whatever.
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curt
May 18, 2007, 5:55 AM
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kmc wrote: Thanks for the reply. I understand the physics behind how a screamer works and how it absorbs force...
Actually, you obviously don't--since Screamers do not absorb force. Screamers limit force by absorbing energy.
Curt
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abock33
May 18, 2007, 7:28 AM
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IMO I'd clip it to a keychain biner and take a whipper off it. Obviously I'd make sure to back up the blot under it.
Of course this is only what I would do with it. You can do with it as you please.
just my opinion!
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basilisk
May 21, 2007, 3:52 AM
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flamer wrote: mojomonkey wrote: Any reason for the PM versus posting it here? To many arm chair mountaineers/techy no it alls around here...and I don't feel like playing games. Here is all I'm going to tell you. Those pas device's aren't as "strong" as you think. IF you are going to use any kind of "tether" the safest thing to use is a NYLON (NOT SPECTRA) daisy chain or something similiar. Just remember, always tie in with the rope. josh
i'm getting extremely tired of you hinting at things but never backing them up. if you know something we don't just spit it out. do us all a service, eh? if anything YOU are the armchair techie. every post you make talks about how some piece of gear is suspect but you never elaborate on it.
if you don't want to argue about it, you don't have to revisit the topic after your initial post. but quit being such a whiner about people potentially criticizing you
honestly, i personally have never held a desire for the killfile feature, but you're certainly making me wonder if it would be worthwhile so i could ignore your bullshit.
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flamer
May 23, 2007, 5:46 PM
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basilisk wrote: flamer wrote: mojomonkey wrote: Any reason for the PM versus posting it here? To many arm chair mountaineers/techy no it alls around here...and I don't feel like playing games. Here is all I'm going to tell you. Those pas device's aren't as "strong" as you think. IF you are going to use any kind of "tether" the safest thing to use is a NYLON (NOT SPECTRA) daisy chain or something similiar. Just remember, always tie in with the rope. josh i'm getting extremely tired of you hinting at things but never backing them up. if you know something we don't just spit it out. do us all a service, eh? if anything YOU are the armchair techie. every post you make talks about how some piece of gear is suspect but you never elaborate on it. if you don't want to argue about it, you don't have to revisit the topic after your initial post. but quit being such a whiner about people potentially criticizing you honestly, i personally have never held a desire for the killfile feature, but you're certainly making me wonder if it would be worthwhile so i could ignore your bullshit.
You are a classic example of the reason so many good climbers don't even look at this site anymore. Let alone post worthwhile info. Thanks for being the problem.
You can suck my nuts.
josh
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jsh
May 23, 2007, 11:00 PM
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<<<elbows basilisk out of the way>>>
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healyje
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Josh, not sure where you're getting the info on the PAS ratings. I know for a fact Metolius tests them pretty rigorously. I just had my several year old PAS tested along with a third year's batch of Mammut Dyneema slings I've had tested. They test out solid, what specifically is the problem or issue with them?
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basilisk
May 26, 2007, 1:53 AM
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flamer wrote: You are a classic example of the reason so many good climbers don't even look at this site anymore. Let alone post worthwhile info. Thanks for being the problem. You can suck my nuts. josh
this is my point. you are failing to post worthwhile info. you're ragging on companies and gear without saying why. in addition you just flamed me because i asked you for a simple explanation. sounds like YOU are the problem to me.
go whine about BDs cams some more. see what other crap you can come up with.
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flamer
May 26, 2007, 2:08 AM
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basilisk wrote: in addition you just flamed me because i asked you for a simple explanation. go whine about BDs cams some more. see what other crap you can come up with.
LoL...simple explanation? You are more stupid than you sound!
You got flamed..because you flamed. Idiot.
If you'd like to see someone asking for a simple explanation than maybe you should look at healyje's post above. He got an answer from me via PM. That PM also explained why I wasn't posting what I know here in a public forum.
I've never whined, complained, or talked trash about BD CAMS specifically. I have said BD is not the upstanding company that so many people think they are...but never anything about their cams. I, in fact use them in the larger sizes.
...but you probably won't see this response because you killfiled me right? WAIT!! How did you see my last response? Are you full of empty promise's?
josh
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basilisk
May 26, 2007, 2:21 AM
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we don't have killfile....
if we did, i wouldn't be yapping at you in the first place. i covered that in the original post.
you still haven't explained yourself; or even explained why you refuse you explain yourself. (armchair techies doesn't quite cut it)
regardless, i'm thinking i should ignore the possibility that you might have something worthwhile to say. every time i ask you just get more stubborn about not saying a word.
apologies for dragging this thread so far off topic
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flamer
May 26, 2007, 2:33 AM
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basilisk wrote: you still haven't explained yourself (armchair techies doesn't quite cut it) regardless, i'm thinking i should ignore the possibility that you might have something worthwhile to say.
Nor do I have to! ...or will I because a punter like you thinks he deserves something and is a jerk about it.
Arm chair techie's does cover it(it not the only reason)...present company included!
Please ignore everything I have to say...you already know everything anyway!
josh
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basilisk
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oh flamer, you so crazy.
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flamer wrote: basilisk wrote: you still haven't explained yourself (armchair techies doesn't quite cut it) regardless, i'm thinking i should ignore the possibility that you might have something worthwhile to say. Nor do I have to! ...or will I because a punter like you thinks he deserves something and is a jerk about it. Arm chair techie's does cover it(it not the only reason)...present company included! Please ignore everything I have to say...you already know everything anyway! josh
Well, I happen to know basilisk, and he is no arm chair techie. Knowing him has nothing to do with how useless your posts are, flamer, and a waste of brain cells to read them.
Back that junk up, or else your contributions to threads are as useless as completely wrong and misguided answers.
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flamer
May 26, 2007, 2:01 PM
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Awwwww.....2 little pansy's from Vermont with each others backs!!
I'll bet you guys got to do a whole bunch of snow slogs this winter huh? Probably Have "epics" all the time just so you can "cuddle" to keep warm.
Classic RC.noob idiots. No wonder every leaves this site!
josh
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flamer
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carabiner96 wrote: Back that junk up, or else your contributions to threads are as useless as completely wrong and misguided answers.
Had to quote it....it's maybe the funniest, threat? or statement? or what the hell are you saying?
You back up that you're an idiot or, um, you're an idiot?
josh
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May 26, 2007, 3:05 PM
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flamer wrote: Awwwww.....2 little pansy's from Vermont with each others backs!! I'll bet you guys got to do a whole bunch of snow slogs this winter huh? Probably Have "epics" all the time just so you can "cuddle" to keep warm. Classic RC.noob idiots. No wonder every leaves this site! josh
Basilisk? He's a stud...I'd cuddle with him any day.
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OK, people. Ease up a bit, eh?
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