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Saturday i took my first fall while leading. it was only about a 6' fall. But it was also my belayer's first time catching a fall.

it was "middle earth" in the trapps, at the start of P3. there is a small roof, then a small bulge on the face (crux). the book says harder if short - i'm 5'3. i could see the move (chalk stains) but couldn't reach it. a few more inches would have made the difference.

anyway, it took me about 4 tries, so actually i took my 1st, 2nd, and 3rd lead falls all trying to make that one move.

It wasn't bad! the impact of coming to the end of the rope was gentler than i expected. and i was less "shook up" than i thought i'd be. in fact, after the first fall, knowing the cam would hold made me confident to keep trying (and falling) until i made the move.

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your first lead fall ever was on trad?

that's bold!
i practiced allot on sport and in gyms taking huge falls before i ever went on trad.

that's bold, good job!


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thelockdude wrote:
Saturday i took my first fall while leading. it was only about a 6' fall. But it was also my belayer's first time catching a fall.

it was "middle earth" in the trapps, at the start of P3. there is a small roof, then a small bulge on the face (crux). the book says harder if short - i'm 5'3. i could see the move (chalk stains) but couldn't reach it. a few more inches would have made the difference.

anyway, it took me about 4 tries, so actually i took my 1st, 2nd, and 3rd lead falls all trying to make that one move.

It wasn't bad! the impact of coming to the end of the rope was gentler than i expected. and i was less "shook up" than i thought i'd be. in fact, after the first fall, knowing the cam would hold made me confident to keep trying (and falling) until i made the move.

Dan

Congradulations on having a good time going for it! Sounds like you had fun.


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it's also impressive your first lead fall was on a multipitch...

good going- the catch always is softer than expected, i love that it resolves some of the angst. it's the blocky ledges and choss that always scare me.


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evanwish wrote:
your first lead fall ever was on trad?

that's bold!
i practiced allot on sport and in gyms taking huge falls before i ever went on trad.

that's bold, good job!

Not really. My first lead fall was on trad...but that's mostly because there wasn't a lot of option for sport where I start climbing and my gym was mostly a bouldering gym.

Good job man, I hate falling, and so fall often, not even on sport. But really, if the fall is clean and the gear is bomber there's no reason not to go for it.


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I only started leading trad last year and have yet to fall on gear. A few times I have been in a tough spot and thoughts of falling pop into my head. Even though the idea scares me (I'd like more placement evaluations from different partners and maybe to fall backed up on toprope first) my mind always says "just let go - get that first gear fall out of the way!". I disagree and down climb :)

Did you fall going for a move or pop off looking around for a way to reach those out of the way holds?

Anybody else have any first fall stories to share?


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in fact, after the first fall, knowing the cam would hold made me confident to keep trying (and falling) until i made the move.

Dan

Did you remember to re-check the cam after each fall?


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evanwish wrote:
your first lead fall ever was on trad?

that's bold!
i practiced allot on sport and in gyms taking huge falls before i ever went on trad.

that's bold, good job!


Not to take anything away from the OP, but just because his first fall was on trad doesn't make it bold.

That's how it should be. I'm with John Long - too many people these days know how to climb a line of bolts and lower off the shuts, but have very little knowledge of rigging and general safety methods for climbing in general.

People should be required to climb trad for two years competently under the supervision of a properly skilled mentor before being turned loose on their style of choice, just for the good of the community in general.


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j_ung wrote:
thelockdude wrote:
in fact, after the first fall, knowing the cam would hold made me confident to keep trying (and falling) until i made the move.

Dan

Did you remember to re-check the cam after each fall?

At the least. I've found falling repeatedly on a piece to be a good motivation to look for a backup placement before going for it again. It's tempting to just get up and go for it, but as for a piece holding a fall, like they say in the financial industry: Past successes do not guarantee future performance.

GO


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...Did you fall going for a move or pop off looking around for a way to reach those out of the way holds?...

Going for the move. To reach the hold (which was too high) I had to move my feet off their nice little edges, and smear on the face, AND take one hand off the tiny crimps I was hanging on to. I fell because I was tentative to move all 3 limbs at the same time like that, but eventually that's exactly what I had to do.

The placement that caught my fall was a bomber cam under the little roof (the roof was only about 18-24") and I felt pretty sure it would hold me. Thankfully it did.

The fall was not unexpected. I mean I was hoping I wouldn't fall, but I also saw that below me there was nothing to hit, and I really felt the cam was as solid as I knew how to place, so I wasn't as scared to try the move as I have been in the past.

In previous situations, I've looked down and there's a ledge or something to smash my elbow or knee on. I knew I wouldn't "die" from a fall like that, but I don't want a broken bone either. This time, though, I wasn't too afraid of a fall. I warned my belayer that it might happen, and she was ready, and everything worked out fine!

Thanks for all the positive feedback, everyone. I still feel pretty good about myself that I've passed a sort of milestone.

Regards.
Dan


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cracklover wrote:
j_ung wrote:
thelockdude wrote:
in fact, after the first fall, knowing the cam would hold made me confident to keep trying (and falling) until i made the move.

Dan

Did you remember to re-check the cam after each fall?

At the least. I've found falling repeatedly on a piece to be a good motivation to look for a backup placement before going for it again. It's tempting to just get up and go for it, but as for a piece holding a fall, like they say in the financial industry: Past successes do not guarantee future performance.

GO

No, I didn't re-check the cam! Oh man, that sounds like such a common sense thing now, but at the time, I didn't even think of it! Well, that's why I read and sometimes post here - I have learned a lot of good practices from these forums, for example, I always tie backup [i.e. stopper] knots in my rappel rope now, which I learned from these forums.

In the future, after a fall, I will ALWAYS re-check the piece(s) that I fell on before trying the move again. Thanks for the advice.


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I'd have to say that there probaly is no better place to take your first fall from then a small little roof section.

I took my first gear fall on a sand bagged 5.5 at Joshua Tree. The start of the 5.5 was also shared with the start of a 5.7 and I believe they shared one of the same cruxes. Which would be this 3 foot roof that was about 15 feet off the ground right above the block that detached from it. I had learned form my mentor and from the Long books to always protect well what you perceive to be the crux move of a route. The moves on this crux were kind of like the Great Roof on the nose. You traverse under the roof on fingers and reach over the roof to a fist jam and pull over. I was able to protect the traverse with two small cam placements that I equalized with a 48" sling and a sliding X, so that if I fell from any part of the traverse it would function as a belay anchor and equalize the gear on the fall. I made it through the traverse and was able to nail the first jam and place a #3 C4. It was trying to lie back the crack to gain the roof when my foot popped and I came off. First lead fall out of the way!

As I said there is no better place to fall then on a roof move, as I was hanging I got to really see how my gear and slings held and evaluate what I had done and what I would do in the future.

Props to going for it. You should find a wave of confidence will follow this fall. Just turn the confidence in to knowing when presented with a difficult move you will have the knowledge to protect it well giving you the ability to push your limit. And not the other way around.

If I can give you one bit of advice to help your chances of not falling. When you are taking a trip to climb, don't post a bunch of links here for videos of other people falling. I did and this story is what happened that same weekend. I haven't fallen since. Karma is a bitch.


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cracklover wrote:
j_ung wrote:
thelockdude wrote:
in fact, after the first fall, knowing the cam would hold made me confident to keep trying (and falling) until i made the move.

Dan

Did you remember to re-check the cam after each fall?

At the least. I've found falling repeatedly on a piece to be a good motivation to look for a backup placement before going for it again. It's tempting to just get up and go for it, but as for a piece holding a fall, like they say in the financial industry: Past successes do not guarantee future performance.

GO

Haha, I just took my first trad whipper (BTW, congratulations to OP. I've taken many sport falls before my first trad one last weekend. Way to go). I decided to break into the 10s by climbing a 10C. I ran it out on a .5 camalot trying to pull the crux, then fell 15-20 feet. Pulled back up to the piece, rested, and then fired in a cam above that one just after I started climbing again. Pulled the roof, discovered it was still too technical for my now thoroughly pumped arms, and plummeted again. The backup piece pulled and I was staring at Mr. Purple again. I saved the pulled piece for the top of the climb instead. It was a super clean fall, and it was exciting to get in a first fall and then first pulled piece at the same time (not that I'm proud of a pulled piece--I thought it was a better placement than that).


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thelockdude wrote:
In the future, after a fall, I will ALWAYS re-check the piece(s) that I fell on before trying the move again. Thanks for the advice.

No problemo. Congrats on your milestone. My first lead fall was also onto trad gear. And also at the Gunks. Laugh


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thelockdude wrote:
In the future, after a fall, I will ALWAYS re-check the piece(s) that I fell on before trying the move again. Thanks for the advice.

Smart. Sounds like you've got your head in the right place, and your description of the fall sounds about as safe as it comes, so good job!

My first trad fall was onto a suspect pin. It was 25 degrees farenheit, the sun was setting, and my right arm had gone numb to the elbow from sticking my hand in a puddle of icewater. I'd take your fall over mine any day! Oh, and I had placed a screamer on the pin, and it engaged! Who knows whether the pin would have held otherwise?

Also, as it happens, at the Gunks!

Cheers!

GO


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thelockdude wrote:
I always tie backup [i.e. stopper] knots in my rappel rope now, which I learned from these forums.

Not that I want to start the eternal debate - but I think probably the most important rule to learn about trad climbing is that there are no rules. There is no "always" to be applied to every situation - it's more about learning (and always adding) to a bag of tricks, and making the best, situation-dependent decision you can.

For instance, I rarely tie stopper knots; but I do rap with that in mind. I might tie a stopper knot, if the rap is close to full-length. But I *never* use stopper knots when rapping in Vegas, since the rock there is legendary for its ability to catch ropes.

Kudos for keeping at making the move, though. Even though I've led a handful of 5.9's, Middle Earth's roof is a thorn in my side!


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Anybody else have any first fall stories to share?

My first lead fall was a sport fall in a gym. Nothing special. My first fall onto gear was on pitch 4 of a multi-pitch FA attempt that we got shut down on. I was route finding and coming out of a small inside corner with a #1 camalot below me. There looked like a good ledge, but it was about 6 inches out of my reach. I figured I'd just go for it so I tried the dyno. The ledge was actually not a ledge, but a small change in direction in the rock. There was nothing to grab onto and I went for a little ride. The cam held no problem. I decided to head off to the right and found a 5.11 flake and tried my way up that feature. I got about 10 feet up the flake then slipped on some lichen onto a green alien. The cam held fine (this was before the AlienGate scandal) and I ended up having to French-free the section due to heavy lichen. It was a pretty good sized fall though, maybe 15 feet? For my first gear falls, having two in row like that did certainly give me the shakes for a while, but once I realized that the gear was good, I was fine.

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jsh wrote:
Even though I've led a handful of 5.9's, Middle Earth's roof is a thorn in my side!

How tall are you? my friend who is a bit taller than me found it quite easy.


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I'm 5.7, with a -2 ape index Unsure.


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evanwish wrote:
your first lead fall ever was on trad?

that's bold!

My first lead fall was on an ice screw a couple of pitches off the ground.

Dig. I went from backpacking to peak bagging to alpine climbing to ice climbing to trad climbing and then to sport climbing. I'd been "climbing" for years before I ever laid eyes on a bolt. And when I first saw a bolt, I was like, "WTF is that thing? Is it safe?" I backed it up with a cam!

Bold? Ignorant is more like it.


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People should be required to climb trad for two years competently under the supervision of a properly skilled mentor before being turned loose on their style of choice, just for the good of the community in general.

I'd be glad to stop climbing sport every time if there were a grab bag of trad mentors out there to show me proper placements. Unfortunately it's just not that easy... Anyone in the Denver area looking for a pupil?


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thelockdude wrote:
Well, that's why I read and sometimes post here - I have learned a lot of good practices from these forums,

Wha, wha, wha, what?!?!?ShockedShocked

Did I read that right?

<wipes eyes>

Are you sure you learned that stuff here? You mean you weren't constantly bombarded with "STFU NoOb!!" and "Do a f**kin' search next time, noobtard!!".

Suffice it to say, I am utterly and completely shocked, but then again jt512 hasn't chimed in yet...

In all seriousness though (and to get back on-topic) congrats on the fall. I wish I would grow a pair and do the same. Oh well, it'll happen when it happens.


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People should be required to climb trad for two years competently under the supervision of a properly skilled mentor before being turned loose on their style of choice, just for the good of the community in general.

what the F?

what came first, the climber or the climbing instructor? i have nothing against the person who seeks instruction. but who the hell is anyone tell others they HAVE TO HAVE any required amount of instruction before tying into the sharp end. i suppose i should have asked you, before going on this rant, if you climb trad, and if you had 2 years of instruction? if so, thats great, but because you didn't have it in you to figure it out on your own dosen't mean the rest of us have to take the path you chose.


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mottaaa wrote:

what the F?

what came first, the climber or the climbing instructor? i have nothing against the person who seeks instruction. but who the hell is anyone tell others they HAVE TO HAVE any required amount of instruction before tying into the sharp end. i suppose i should have asked you, before going on this rant, if you climb trad, and if you had 2 years of instruction? if so, thats great, but because you didn't have it in you to figure it out on your own dosen't mean the rest of us have to take the path you chose.


This, ladies and gentleman, is an example of unintentional hook, line, and sinker. Whilst I thought my post was obviously tongue in cheek enough not to be taken seriously by most of you with intact perception, and therefore not a troll, I must remember to never underestimate the exceptions to the rule. mottaaa, you win, I will never post anything good-naturedly sarcastic ever again.


Anyway, for the record regarding the two questions: Yes and more, although I did plenty of ground schooling and other self-educating along with my mentoring.


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I think people who use on-line names with references to drugs or alcohol should be subject to 4 years mentoring before tying in on the sharp end. And even then all non-involved people and animals should be removed from the climbing area before said druggy takes the lead.Pirate


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if you stick to staight forward climbs that are within your ability, placing gear is not that difficult. the
john long series illustrates it well. one thing i learned, and always keep in mind, is the first rule of safety is common sense.


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my bad, it was an impulse post. as to the screen name, just the title to an offspring tune. apologies


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Glad to see this wasn't another gymbie article! First fall from p3? dayamn @_@ well deserved my mang.


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LOL. All in good fun there smokey. Sly

From one n00b to another, welcom to RC.


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drfelatio wrote:
...You mean you weren't constantly bombarded with "STFU NoOb!!" and "Do a f**kin' search next time, noobtard!!".

LOL! Nah, nobody's ever really dissed me. Well, maybe they have, I don't remember...I just ignore posts like that. I've usually gotten thoughtful and thorough responses to my questions. And I DO read a lot of older threads before I ask questions.

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In all seriousness though (and to get back on-topic) congrats on the fall.

Thanks!


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Glad to see this wasn't another gymbie article! First fall from p3? dayamn @_@ well deserved my mang.

Hehehe, thanks. I've only climbed in a gym about 3 or 4 times. Last year I evolved from top roping to trad. I'm not really interested in sport or bouldering. Though I AM interested in doing some aid climbing...


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ja1484 wrote:
People should be required to climb trad for two years competently under the supervision of a properly skilled mentor before being turned loose on their style of choice, just for the good of the community in general.

I'd be glad to stop climbing sport every time if there were a grab bag of trad mentors out there to show me proper placements. Unfortunately it's just not that easy... Anyone in the Denver area looking for a pupil?

I'm free as of August 1 2008 if you wanna go.
(I'm dead serious)


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Disclaimer: Trad is my favorite of all the climbing types I do.

That said, don't ignore sport. Though the pure "sport ethos" is at times juvenile and annoying, there's something to be said for shorter, harder climbs where you don't have to worry about protection.

They're good training - much like extended bouldering. A good mix of bouldering, sport, and trad will get you better rounded and improve your skills considerably over specializing.

I can't speak to aid and ice - haven't really done enough of either to speak with any kind of substantive knowledge on the subjects, but they are planned for the future.


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...That said, don't ignore sport...A good mix of bouldering, sport, and trad will get you better rounded and improve your skills considerably over specializing...

I'm sure that's true. So far, almost all my climbing has been in the gunks. as far as i know there are no sport routes there. maybe i'll try some sport climbing if i ever get to visit a place where there are some. there's definitely bouldering in the gunks, but i'm getting kinda addicted to the height element involved with multi-pitch climbing. bouldering doesn't look like much fun to me, though to improve my skills, i may just venture into that a bit too.


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thelockdude wrote:
ja1484 wrote:
...That said, don't ignore sport...A good mix of bouldering, sport, and trad will get you better rounded and improve your skills considerably over specializing...

I'm sure that's true. So far, almost all my climbing has been in the gunks. as far as i know there are no sport routes there. maybe i'll try some sport climbing if i ever get to visit a place where there are some. there's definitely bouldering in the gunks, but i'm getting kinda addicted to the height element involved with multi-pitch climbing. bouldering doesn't look like much fun to me, though to improve my skills, i may just venture into that a bit too.

Lots of different palces to visit in New England in driving distance. Just pick an area, pack your car and go.


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Short description of you: your 5'3", your name is Dan, and you climb at the Gunks

Short description of me: I'm 5'3", my name is Dan, and I climb at the Gunks

long lost twin? Evil twin?

Anywho... I've been trying to get to the gunks every weekend. If your looking for a partner any weekend hit me up.


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dan4geng wrote:
Short description of you: your 5'3", your name is Dan, and you climb at the Gunks

Short description of me: I'm 5'3", my name is Dan, and I climb at the Gunks

long lost twin? Evil twin?

Anywho... I've been trying to get to the gunks every weekend. If your looking for a partner any weekend hit me up.

Haha!
I'm going tomorrow, actually. I looked at your profile - you're climbing 11's and such - that's quite a bit above my ability - are you willing to downgrade for a newbie? do you lead at all? tell you what, call me if you get this in time, if we have enough in common, we'll climb together tomorrow (if you're free). 631-981-2658.
Dan


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my first lead fall was on a #4 camalot in indian creek and it was about a 3 foot fall it was crappy and awesome(i also took my 2-8 falls the same time) the crappy part was i had to aid the rest of the route.
it was pussy wus crack 5.10+ for anyone wondering


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Cool, glad your first fall was mellow. Sofar I've only taken one trad lead fall on a slick lieback at Bridge Buttress in NRG (and that was... 3 years ago) and actually the last time I weighted a piece that wasn't an anchor was 2 years ago.

Haha, well having fun is most important, and sounds like you're having it!


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ja1484 wrote:
People should be required to climb trad for two years competently under the supervision of a properly skilled mentor before being turned loose on their style of choice, just for the good of the community in general.

hear hear, perhaps we should make eveyone look after kids for two years before having sex too.


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alexmac wrote:
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People should be required to climb trad for two years competently under the supervision of a properly skilled mentor before being turned loose on their style of choice, just for the good of the community in general.

hear hear, perhaps we should make eveyone look after kids for two years before having sex too.


Actually, that's a really good idea.


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BUT who wants to trust their kids to parenting n00bs?


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Regarding trusting kids to parenting Noobs. That would be me, and a lot of other people we know. We use two 13 year old girls to watch our herd of cats every chance we get. For a nice quite evening having dinner or going to a movie.Smile
Don
Edit for non parents: Herd of cats = 5yo and 3 yo boys, and 7 month old girl for me.


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Well...I had my first lead fall about a month ago...
I was on my second Aid lead, possibly A2+, in the Adirondacks after 3 hooks moves I was on a forth hook move, I was hooking a flake, I bounce tested the placement, I stepped on it with my first foot and than with the second and all the sudden I was airborne....the flake blew...and dropped about 3 feet from my belayer, whom I lifted a few feet from the ground...No consequences at all for both of us, a C4 .75 far below caught me, I think a fell about 15ft...
Funny think about this...last year I belayed the fall of my belayer at the Gunks, who got caught by the same size of cam..C4 .75.
After this fall I feel much better about falling on gear..and I am climbing better.


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amylovesred wrote:
BUT who wants to trust their kids to parenting n00bs?

Very horny parenting n00bs at that. Plus, you probably don't want people associating kids with sex (other than conception).


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it's accutally kina ironic. i was the first one to reply to this one about my fall.

2 months ago i took a 60' trad fall and broke my
leg/ankle/foot.Pirate


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evanwish wrote:
it's accutally kina ironic. i was the first one to reply to this one about my fall.

2 months ago i took a 60' trad fall and broke my
leg/ankle/foot.Pirate

OMG! That sucks evanwish! How are you healing up? That was 2 months ago, why didn't you post sooner?

Anyway, I hardly climbed at all, all summer. I have had my attention exclusively on passing my black belt test (which I did just last Tuesday). But now that that's behind me, I'm going to be climbing a lot more this fall. And hopefully without any falls.

Would you mind sharing the details of your fall?

Tinker (Dan)


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My first lead fall was on pitch four of a multi pitch sport climb. I should have run it out instead of stopping to clip the bolt that was obviously put there by someone who was a little challenged in the height department. I had to clip the damn thing at my knees and when i did off the face i went without clipping the stupid thing. The catch was less than spectacular due to the fact that the next bolt was three feet above a section of slab. my heals caught on the slab and i ended up on my ass with my helmet against the rock.


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My first lead fall was on pitch four of a multi pitch sport climb. I should have run it out instead of stopping to clip the bolt that was obviously put there by someone who was a little challenged in the height department. I had to clip the damn thing at my knees and when i did off the face i went without clipping the stupid thing. The catch was less than spectacular due to the fact that the next bolt was three feet above a section of slab. my heals caught on the slab and i ended up on my ass with my helmet against the rock.


ohh thats rough man. glad to hear you didn't get hurt.


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My first real lead fall was on a 5.10b trad route (Summit Attempt, Bee Rock TN). I had the climb linked on top rope and immediately started leading it. I ran out the headwall under the impression that it was in my best interests to focus on the climbing and get it over with. The end result was me whipping onto the only bolt on the pitch, 15 feet above the ledge that sits above the headwall. Unfortunately for me, I was about 15 above the bolt. The outcome was me coming to a halt on the ledge. The rope took the momentum out of my fall, but I still decked.

What pissed me off the most was that I knew the risk, took it, and still screwed up.

That same day, I popped one foot on a 5.8 slab climb that I was goofing off on. I ended up sliding 20 feet of the face on my ass and landing on my feet at the bottom. Before you ask, there was no protection so 20 feet was pretty good considering the options.

Oh well, after that one day I figured I can't really take any worse falls without killing myself so I'm not too worried about whipping anymore.


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My first real lead fall was on a 5.10b trad route (Summit Attempt, Bee Rock TN). I had the climb linked on top rope and immediately started leading it. I ran out the headwall under the impression that it was in my best interests to focus on the climbing and get it over with. The end result was me whipping onto the only bolt on the pitch, 15 feet above the ledge that sits above the headwall. Unfortunately for me, I was about 15 above the bolt. The outcome was me coming to a halt on the ledge. The rope took the momentum out of my fall, but I still decked.

What pissed me off the most was that I knew the risk, took it, and still screwed up.

That same day, I popped one foot on a 5.8 slab climb that I was goofing off on. I ended up sliding 20 feet of the face on my ass and landing on my feet at the bottom. Before you ask, there was no protection so 20 feet was pretty good considering the options.

Oh well, after that one day I figured I can't really take any worse falls without killing myself so I'm not too worried about whipping anymore.

See four posts up. Pirate


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Anybody else have any first fall stories to share?

My first "real" fall (apart from sporty slab (ya'know; those type of falls where you feel like you can self-arrest.) was a fifteen footer onto a #2. I somehow managed to get the rope behind my leg too. Sly

Later in the day someone said to me "You're the guy that took that fifteen foot upside down fall! Way to go! We saw you from the parking lot!"


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ja1484 wrote:
People should be required to climb trad for two years competently under the supervision of a properly skilled mentor before being turned loose on their style of choice, just for the good of the community in general.

That, and two years of public service as well!!1! I wholeheartedly agree. You should run for president.


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ja1484 wrote:
People should be required to climb trad for two years competently under the supervision of a properly skilled mentor before being turned loose on their style of choice, just for the good of the community in general.

Sounds like a group that still exists today.... cough, the AMC, cough. Wasn't there a group that rebelled against this idea...



Not like they ever accomplished anything... cough, VMC direct direct, cough.

My first trad lead fall, can't remember. But like a few of you, there was no access to sport. I do remember, early in my leading days however, taking a 60fter after a 1/4" 70's bolt with a homemade hangar blew out (one of the rare "sport" routes). I was about 57' up the route, yup, that's right. The rope caught me and I landed in a depression by the base of the route, about one foot from decking. I had slipped while clipping the 3rd bolt, sheared the 2nd bolt, the bolts were all about 20ft apart, sporty sport!

My first, and only, lead ice fall was onto a tied off stubby screw that had grounded out on the rock underneath. I was on top of the climb slinging a tree when my crampon rocked back and caught a soft spot in the snow, so now there was nothing under my heel, I swung to try to grab the sling and missed as I lost my balance backwards. I fell head over heels over the last bulge of the climb (about 20'), hit the slab below (right by the screw), and slid on my back another 30 ft before coming to rest. I got up, borrowed my buddies tools, mine were stowed at the top, and re-climbed the route, pretty embarrassing.


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Well, my first (trad) lead fall was more of an embarrassment then anything else. I was climbing an easy (5.6?) corner at the upper tiers of poke-o and I slipped on the wet grassy/licheny mantle at the top of the climb. The "fall" was more of a slow-motion slide and I was stopped by a 0.5 tech friend.


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My first, and only, lead ice fall was onto a tied off stubby screw that had grounded out on the rock underneath. I was on top of the climb slinging a tree when my crampon rocked back and caught a soft spot in the snow, so now there was nothing under my heel, I swung to try to grab the sling and missed as I lost my balance backwards. I fell head over heels over the last bulge of the climb (about 20'), hit the slab below (right by the screw), and slid on my back another 30 ft before coming to rest. I got up, borrowed my buddies tools, mine were stowed at the top, and re-climbed the route, pretty embarrassing.
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People should be required to climb trad for two years competently under the supervision of a properly skilled mentor before being turned loose on their style of choice, just for the good of the community in general.
Yeah, that would be a great idea! Not

And who would be the governing body of such lunacy? You? Mr. Long?

People just need to understand the difference between climbing styles. Sport climbing, while good for learning climbing technique and to clip gear is in no other way an analogue to trad. It is the climbers responsibility to know this, and to take appropriate action to learn the trade.



Ill bet your a union worker?


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