It's elitist for someone to say they might be close to being able to climb something? Well that pretty much encompasses everyone on this sight. Guess we're all guilty.

It's less about the whole miscommunication thing and more about people telling others what they can and can't climb.

For someone, anyone, to talk down to other climbers just gets under my skin. It's one thing to caution someone and suggest they look into something like that a little more carefully. It's entirely different to basically berate them about how they have no idea what they're talking about.

I don't believe it to just be an annoyance, I think it's detrimental to the sport as a whole to have that elitist crap floating around. Not to say I'm without guilt but I don't make a habit of it.

Near capable, yes. . . . I'm fine leading scary things at my limit in styles that I'm good at like crack climbs (which don't generally have runouts) and technical routes. Bachar-Yerian sounds like it might be one of those but I haven't checked out much info on the route.

Drama queen.

I think I might have somehow given the impression that the things on this website affect me. Most of my responding simply has to do with the fact that I'm bored on the computer already. The weather sucks today and I'm tired from climbing the past two so this is just entertainment. Like I said before, with climbing you have to put up or shut up, which can't take place on the internet.

You are right though, I don't have a clue about how hard the B/Y is. With no personal knowledge of the route all one has to go on is videos, pictures, and written info. None of which make it look or sound like a super-mega-death route. If people want to chip in to buy me a plane ticket so I can go view the route in person and realize, holy shit that's way harder and sketchier then it looked from pictures I'd totally take them up on it.

But given what I've read about the route having a V4 crux and sustained 11a and 10d climbing with 30-40 foot runouts on vertical and slightly overhanging rock. It doesn't sound that far out of my league. Obviously there's a differnce between how a route sounds and how it actually is. With grade differences in different areas, different types of climbing, different strengths and weaknesses, and all the other variables that make up the difficulty of a route and the ability of individual climbers it's pretty difficult to say whether or not any climber can do anything over the internet, it's just conjecture and babbling. Especially without watching them climb or doing some of the climbs they've done.

If a climbing partner who'd climbed it told me it was way out of my league I would take that advice to heart. When some random person on the internet says I'm so arrogant for thinking I'm anywhere near that ability it sounds a hair elitist.

Something more interesting came along, going ice climbing.

I think I might have somehow given the impression that the things on this website affect me. Most of my responding simply has to do with the fact that I'm bored on the computer already. The weather sucks today and I'm tired from climbing the past two so this is just entertainment. Like I said before, with climbing you have to put up or shut up, which can't take place on the internet.

Slim chance I could, likely I can't.

And, let's remember that Wolfgang Gullich, the strongest climber of the era, and the guy who established the 5.14 rating, fell on this route. This is the company you are putting yourself in by claiming that you are even remotely qualified to lead this route.

Once again, there's a difference between a belief and reality.

I think I might have somehow given the impression that the things on this website affect me.

...Apparently the line between self confidence and ego/hubris is a thin one.

You are right though, I don't have a clue about how hard the B/Y is. With no personal knowledge of the route all one has to go on is videos, pictures, and written info. None of which make it look or sound like a super-mega-death route. If people want to chip in to buy me a plane ticket so I can go view the route in person and realize, holy shit that's way harder and sketchier then it looked from pictures I'd totally take them up on it.

But given what I've read about the route having a V4 crux and sustained 11a and 10d climbing with 30-40 foot runouts on vertical and slightly overhanging rock. It doesn't sound that far out of my league.

Obviously there's a differnce between how a route sounds and how it actually is. With grade differences in different areas, different types of climbing, different strengths and weaknesses, and all the other variables that make up the difficulty of a route and the ability of individual climbers it's pretty difficult to say whether or not any climber can do anything over the internet, it's just conjecture and babbling. Especially without watching them climb or doing some of the climbs they've done.

If a climbing partner who'd climbed it told me it was way out of my league I would take that advice to heart. When some random person on the internet says I'm so arrogant for thinking I'm anywhere near that ability it sounds a hair elitist.

http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/...famed-ibacharyeriani

scoll down a little for vid.

I'm not lumping myself in with anyone. In fact I avoid lumping myself in with anyone because every climb is different as is every climber. I never said I was going to go redpoint the B/Y or try to. Maybe read the thread more carefully.

Slim chance I could, likely I can't. I'm not going to say "no effing way" without looking at it. I'm not going to tersely discourage someone else from thinking about it even if I know for a fact that I'm loads stronger than them and I'm not thinking of doing it. I definately would not do so if I had never seen them climb or been on the climb they were referring to.

Hey man forget these pussies, I'll come rope up with you. We got this shit.

we're talking tuolemene meadows, not Jersey Shore.

You disrespecting my family? Come at me bro.

Must be a Jersey thing.

So far, your unconcern in this thread totals 3,109 words.

Jay