I already asked this question before about the grigri but nobody seemed to answer my real question. If you setup a top rope and just use one rope down, can you attach a Petzl ascender and move it up the rope as you climb? Also, can you do the same with the grigri when ALONE?

I already asked this question before about the grigri but nobody seemed to answer my real question. If you setup a top rope and just use one rope down, can you attach a Petzl ascender and move it up the rope as you climb? Also, can you do the same with the grigri when ALONE?

I already asked this question before about the grigri but nobody seemed to answer my real question. If you setup a top rope and just use one rope down, can you attach a Petzl ascender and move it up the rope as you climb? Also, can you do the same with the grigri when ALONE?

Perhaps if you would ask your question better, you could get a better answer. You start by mentioning Grigri, then change to Petzl ascender without specifying which one of those. The Grigri is sold as a belay device, not an ascender. Guess what: ascenders do ascend. And so will a Grigri, for the same reason: they are attached to your harness, normally, so if you go up, they go up too. So, what was your question? If you say self-belay, that means you are doing it yourself, so what does "ALONE" mean for your question?

Today, I made another four complete ascents, plus a bunch of tiring test attempts at a project route. For the first route, three other guys were working on a route next to mine. They had never seen solo TR, and they watched, including seeing me fall or bail a few times, and seeing me complete and rappel on the same device, a Grigri. They never saw me pull down slack, because with a weight at the bottom of the single strand of rope hung from a knot at the top, there is no slack as I go up. If there is, I stop and fix the problem causing it, then proceed. At the other route, no one even passed by on the trail.

I've done this on about three hundred days, amounting to easily a thousand ascents. I don't do it when a lot of people might see it, and the one person who is occasionally doing it too lets me use his rope while he is resting instead of belaying. You can go up, you can sit, you can fall, you can lower. You want to use a Cinch or a Grigri 2, fine. You want to go through all the infernal and potentially dangerous hassle of trading devices like 'seniormoose', your choice.

This topic, and the nonsense of having to use two opposite devices and having to pull down slack with a Grigri, should IMO be blocked from this forum for being exhausted.

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If you setup a top rope and just use one rope down, can you attach a Petzl ascender and move it up the rope as you climb? Also, can you do the same with the grigri when ALONE?

'bearbreeder' said "i urge you stop giving dangerous advice"

I urge him, or anyone else, to quote my giving advice, rather than stating facts. Please also find where I mentioned anything about "hands free". The recent advice to me from an AMGA guide was that a major cause of accidents and death is transferring between devices and ropes, a point not commonly treated here on the subject of solo climbing, where the preponderant reported practice and therefore advice is to do exactly that, which is exactly what one does not need to do using a Grigri. IF one chooses to, like all the rest of climbing from the minute you leave home.

'bearbreeder' also said "yr not all that experienced with one". I probably have more experience climbing STR with a Grigri than anyone posting at this topic about doing that, as stated "easily a thousand ascents", recently up to nine a day. I have only started doing lead belay with a Grigri, as stated as the very subject of the topic referred to.

Stokely Carmichael said "Hatred is as American as apple pie." It is also an unfortunately large portion and purpose of the verbiage at this forum.

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'bearbreeder' said "i urge you stop giving dangerous advice"

I urge him, or anyone else, to quote my giving advice, rather than stating facts. Please also find where I mentioned anything about "hands free". The recent advice to me from an AMGA guide was that a major cause of accidents and death is transferring between devices and ropes, a point not commonly treated here on the subject of solo climbing, where the preponderant reported practice and therefore advice is to do exactly that, which is exactly what one does not need to do using a Grigri. IF one chooses to, like all the rest of climbing from the minute you leave home.

'bearbreeder' also said "yr not all that experienced with one". I probably have more experience climbing STR with a Grigri than anyone posting at this topic about doing that, as stated "easily a thousand ascents", recently up to nine a day. I have only started doing lead belay with a Grigri, as stated as the very subject of the topic referred to.

Stokely Carmichael said "Hatred is as American as apple pie." It is also an unfortunately large portion and purpose of the verbiage at this forum.

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I have to use a sling between my harness and the shunt. If I have slack in the rope and I am over my shunt with a sling, I can have a fall factor higher than 2.0

Would anyone here take their hands off when belaying with a gri gri???

Of course I would, you think I'm going to keep my hands on the rope while belaying an aid pitch for a few hours instead of eating a snack, drinking some water, or one of the many other things i could be doing while on a wall.

I could be completely misunderstanding what your are trying to say here, but there is really no reasonable situation to cause a factor 2 fall while top-roping.

I agree that there is no reasonable reason, but, using a shunt and a sling it could happen that you have two feet of slack in a rope plus one feet for the lenght of the sling. six feet of fall on 3 feet of rope can happen..surprisinglty

I agree that there is no reasonable reason, but, using a shunt and a sling it could happen that you have two feet of slack in a rope plus one feet for the lenght of the sling. six feet of fall on 3 feet of rope can happen..surprisinglty

I could be completely misunderstanding what your are trying to say here, but there is really no reasonable situation to cause a factor 2 fall while top-roping.

Ok so you are solo toproping with a shunt connected to your harness with a foot long sling and you let 2 feet of slack build up in the rope.
In your example its actually only 3 foot fall on 3 ft .

I think the Shunt will slip and you won't have an actual ff2 fall.

I also prefer the Petzl Microcender.