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phil_nev
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Hey guys, As a person who has only been climbing a short while i have noticed that in many climbs i have attempted, if i am not confident in myself i will not succed. Also, when attempting a difficult move, esspesialy when ur arms are buring, it's like mind over matter, u have to put the pain aside, and it has helped me a lot? I was just wondering what u guys thought about this, i agree that strenght does play a part in it, but is climbing realy a tthing of mind over matter?? Thanks
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jstumpf
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For me, at least, it's not a matter of one over the other, but a balance between the two, with each building off the other. As my mental abilities get sharper and my courage and tenacity build, my body grows stronger as well. And, as my body gets stronger, it builds my confidence and therefore my tenacity (as well as my climbing ability), etc...
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naturalhigh
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Climbing: 80% mental, 20% physical Obviously, if you don't have the physical strength or endurance, it doesn't matter how much you believe you can do it, it won't happen. But I still think that confidence and mental ingenuity play heavily into ones ability to climb. Figuring out how the balance will work out, or simply being able to ignore the pain in your tortured fingers as you jam that crack... =)
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totigers
Dec 16, 2002, 4:07 AM
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Not sure about the odds but I agree with NaturalHigh.
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jds100
Dec 16, 2002, 4:24 AM
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[small]This topic was moved to the Beginners forum by jds100[/small]
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rock_diva
Dec 16, 2002, 3:24 PM
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The top climber that I've ever met gave me this breakdown when I asked a similar question: 33% mental 33% strength 33% technique {yep, I also noticed there's a missing 1%}
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otherain
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i have always been told that the mind gives up long before the body actully does. never give up, always go for that last move even though you dont think you can get it. you would be surprised what you might be able to do. even if you miss it you building each that is included in each of the 33% from previous. ps 1% good looks. [ This Message was edited by: otherain on 2002-12-16 07:30 ]
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whitenight
Dec 16, 2002, 3:53 PM
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I believe that climbing is both mental and physical. I have been on climbs that I could not hold on any longer and lost it...maybe if I was a little stronger I could have held, but maybe if I was a little wiser I would have choosen better moves and saved some of my energy. I believe that as long as you don't have a mental challenge to get over, such as fear of heights, falls, etc., then your mental game will develop along with your physical.
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mwbtle
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Well, personal experience has told me that its tons mental. If I don't know the grade, I climb about a grade higher than if I do. And when I'm bouldering, I do all sorts of crazy things I wouldn't do 30 feet off the deck. Because I'm not afraid of getting hurt, because of spotters and padding and such. So its a matter of being as good as your technique and strength allow. Because when the mental isn't there, you can't be as good as you are.
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climblouisiana
Dec 16, 2002, 5:16 PM
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Depends on the type of route. a powerful sport route might be 80% physical and 20% mental while a runout route with 1 piece of pro in 200' might be 80% mental and 20% physical.
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spydermonkey
Dec 16, 2002, 11:27 PM
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Definately a mental sport. Sure you need strength but it is a very thoughtout sport, planning your next move, building up guts to dyno to the next hold, etc. spyder
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jen_c
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There is a class available that helps you work on the mental side of climbing: The Warrior's Way taught by Arno Ilgner. He also has books available for those unable to attend the class. I highly recommend it. I have taken the class and learned a lot from it. His web site is www.warriorsway.com
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missedyno
Dec 17, 2002, 1:24 AM
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yeah, a surprising amount is mental... i find this especially on lead.... i can climb (TR) confidently a full 4 grades higher than i lead.....
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holmeslovesguinness
Dec 17, 2002, 1:33 AM
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At the lower grades, if you are in shape and strong you can grunt your way through. The harder the climb, the more the mental and technique aspects kick in.
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wv5ten
Dec 17, 2002, 1:48 AM
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i find that 80 or 90 % of what keeps me from throwing that next move or standing up on something to reach is mental.
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moabbeth
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While strength and technique are important, I find most of my successes and failiures while climbing come from the mental aspect. On days where I'm in a good place in my head I can accomplish a lot...and when my head isn't right I don't accomplish what I am physically capable of.
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climbingjunky
Dec 17, 2002, 4:04 AM
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99% INSPIRATION 1% PERSPIRATION
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hellbent
Dec 17, 2002, 7:28 PM
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Its all about harmony......
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cloudbreak
Dec 17, 2002, 7:37 PM
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I'm with Indy .......lol! .....funny s#!t!!
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baza_arrampicare
Dec 18, 2002, 8:57 AM
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mental...it's all in how ytou veiw things. screw ratings...
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Dec 18, 2002, 10:00 AM
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both sides are imoprtant. if youre fisicaly well prepared, you know it and youre mentally stronger. and this keeps you climbing better. usually it doesnt really matter how strong you are or how much endurance you have, if youre a coward who doesnt dare to do the moves because he is afraid he might scratch his knee. got the point???? CLIMB ON
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yeah - definitely mentally, and not only in confidence, but i found that when i had a bad day i climb worse than when i had a good day, also, i climb pretty well when angry
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sroehlk
Dec 18, 2002, 11:23 PM
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I completely agree with the 33% mental, 33% strength, and 33% technique! I always have my nemesis route that plays mind games with me.
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Definitely. Your confidence on a climb also controls how much your hands are sweating, and thus how much time you have to waste chalking up and how much harder it is to use those tricky holds. This is something that happens to me only on hard leads at this point in my climbing career, funny eh?
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psalmadventurer
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I will go with what Yogi Berra said about baseball on this one: "90% of the game is half mental." But, on a more serious note, this is an interesting article, if someone has not already posted the link: http://www.indoorclimbing.com/mental.html ~jenn
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nzclimba
Dec 22, 2002, 1:13 AM
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definetly more mental than physical. ill agree with the 80% mental, 20% physical breakdown. although, i will say that if you dont have a certain level of fitness, then it will be harder to plod your way up there, especially if youre leading. i know that if i havent climbed for a while then i find it quite difficult to get back into the physical side of things.
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Same situation here with me. You gotta keep at it or you start to decline.
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I think it is like 60/40 physical to mental. I mean you have to be in perty good shape to be able to climb but you also have to be able to think you can and belive in your self. Daggerx
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It's all mental......Got to make believe you got the hands of god..
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swohletz
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The more I climb the more I realize it's a mental game....my mind says I can't when I can. It's my choice to listen or not...
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CLIMBING: PHYSICAL & MENTAL ~*Kira*~
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Having climbed for only a few months, one of the most gratifying aspects of this sport is that I have realized that plateaus in my climbing ability are quickly overcome by simply "learning" or applying new techniques--i.e., improving the "mental" focus and "thinking" aspect. Another example would be climbing steep granite walls by smearing and trusting your foot to hold after careful placement and by shifting your weight onto it. The uncertain/tentative climber who would be afraid to place all his weight on the foot might invariably slip because he/she has not placed enough downward force to supply adequate friction. I honestly don't think my physical strength has improved as much as my brain has when it comes to climbing. At least early on, in my brief experience, I'll have to say that the learning curve has been very gratifying, and I'm pleasantly surprised to see how much technique and the mind play a big role. [ This Message was edited by: ksfrogman on 2002-12-25 02:03 ]
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arinpetit
Dec 26, 2002, 2:28 AM
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climbing is a beautiful sports/leisure that acquire you to have power,technique, be flexible,stamina,footwork etc...But all those must be control with a good,focus mental in order for it to work in harmony.
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I think its a 50-50 trade off. When ever i am about to try a redpoint of a route that i have been working on for a while it makes me think. Climb FAST...Climb FLUID...Climb CONFIDENT...and then i say to my self...GET UP THIS SH*T!!! thats about 50% of what it takes me to get up that route. The other 50% is the power...endurance and strength and technique thats going to help the other. its not mind over matter. Its mind helping the matter... Jon
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I think that if your scared to fall of when top ropeing just think that the ground is right beneath you
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baza_arrampicare
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more mental. if you didn;t think you could do it in the first place, you'd be at home crotcheting mittens for your mountainclimbing 2nd cousin...
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both of themm because if u think that u cant climb, u cant climb although ur body can, and if ur body dont have condition, although u think that can climb u cant.
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climbingjunky
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I thought it was all sexual. I could be wrong.
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it's about cracking ur brain cracking ur brain...cracking ur brain.. : .... fell off, then cracking ur brain again, then cracking again, again... : then only cracking ur bone... so to me, it's more to the power of brain, how u think, how u make urself comfortable with the nature of the rocks. but that's very much depends to ur strength too. sometime i just feel like, oo gosh, i know how to finish this, if only i got the power to jump higher...ahh just a lil bit more. d4mn, i wanna go back to that route, i shud finish it this time... : [ This Message was edited by: darken on 2003-01-02 00:28 ]
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darken
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"sometime i just feel like, oo gosh, i know how to finish this, if only i got the power to jump higher...ahh just a lil bit more." correct me if i was wrong. cos it crossed my mind just now that there are solutions to that. hmm, just be creative, perhaps another route, perhaps i shud move my feet like that, like this, lock my body there ,put my feet a bit higher, then perhaps i can reach it..hmmmm. yeah, it's the power of mental, BRAIN. think more, think harder. techniques.. it's torturing u know, but it's worth it, and it's fun and worth more than i can say. i wouldnt mind to spend my time on it =] [ This Message was edited by: darken on 2003-01-02 00:46 ]
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