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Jan 18, 2004, 6:55 PM
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Like many on this site, I am at a loss as to why Pete was banned.
Sure, there has been lots of crap spouted by a few users, crap that I consider to be baseless allegations. Some of these allegations even went so far as to say that there would be legal liability for this site. Well, if you want to spew that while simultaneously slinging mud all over the place, I would say that Pete has a fair case for defamation.
It's ridiculous that someone is banned because some loud annoying users shrilly preach that they have 'evidence' that proves something. I don't think they do. What about the TOS, that says you can't attack another user? Someone on this site got on every forum here to smear Pete! Definite defamation of character.
The other totally insane thing about this, is that tons of responses to threads in the aid forum always say "look at the Dr. Piton index." So this site is blatantly abusing Pete and using his hard work to improve itself. He should copyright all that info and remove it, considering the backstabbing he's taken here.
The best aid info here came from Pete. It still does, and he's been banned for a month! Now, I can learn from Pete's articles, but if I have a question, I'd rather ask them man who wrote the article. I don't want to ask someone else and get the "Pete is an a-hole" reply.
I don't really care if you don't like Pete. Maybe you've met him, I haven't. It's irrelevant. He put a lot of great aid info on this site, more than anyone else. You can ignore him. You can killfile him. RC.com has adequate avenues for protecting yourself from him, if you feel that's warranted.
Bring Pete back. I've got some Aid to learn.
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Pete is banned what the heck for? I do not see what he did to break the TOS and he was an experienced contributor to the site. Bring back PTPP!
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caughtinside
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In reply to: Pete is banned what the heck for? I do not see what he did to break the toss and he was an experienced contributor to the site.
As far as I know, he was banned with no explanation. But that seems to be par for the course around here these days. My guess is that enigma is banned next.
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Jan 18, 2004, 7:12 PM
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Reading between the lines, it seems apparent that pete was still pursuing inappropriate behavior towards the women on this site. If that is the case, good riddance as far as I am concerned.
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In reply to: As far as I know, he was banned with no explanation.
Last I checked, the site was neither a democracy nor a republic. I don't think they owe me, or anyone else a detailed revealing of what needs to be done to keep things on the up and up. Despite the fact that I am intrigued as much as anyone else, I have decided to accept what is.
Or at least try.
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In reply to: The best aid info here came from Pete. It still does...
I don't know about that one, a lot of info has come from Pete, but I wouldn't call it the best. There are better aid climbers here at RC.com.
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In reply to: In reply to: The best aid info here came from Pete. It still does... I don't know about that one, a lot of info has come from Pete, but I wouldn't call it the best. There are better aid climbers here at RC.com.
ditto that. i'm managing to learn aid just fine without pete around. get a copy of big walls and find partners who are interested in aid or are willing to mentor a gumbie.
it's also pretty easy to tell who tends to be answering questions around here - they just dont tout themselves as the ultimate authority on aid climbing. i've sent plenty of questions via pm to such users and have never received a nasty response. in fact, i've received excellent information and offers to maybe partner up some day. (yee-haw)
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alpinestylist
Jan 18, 2004, 8:36 PM
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Defamation of character...lol...obviously you and Pete have spent sometime spooning.
I've swapped beta with Pete for years. I've slagged Pete for out and out self aggrandizement for years too. When i meet him face to face I would not feel bad, and I would stand by every interaction i have had with him.
The dude spouts and writes tons...if you aid climb for more than a month you will figure out all of Pete's ideas are not always "the better way". Some are, with experience and discretion you will find which are nuggets and which are turds. He willingly spouted all he wrote.
I thought he was banned for sex harrassment of women...young ones too. Noone needs that, and if true good riddance.
If you truly learned "how to aid climb" via the internet you are doomed.
Chasing little girls, in real life or via email, cuz you lack the social graces to pickup women through more appropriate means is sub par human behavior
Defame and slander me at will, I will not hold you nor this site liable.
Just my thoughts
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In reply to: As far as I know, he was banned with no explanation. But that seems to be par for the course around here these days.
You really think that just because no one told you, there ain't a reason??? Do you really think that this affair is anyone's business other than Pete and the Management?
If you really want to know what happened, why don't you email Pete? He just may ask you not to stir the pot and dawdle in other peoples business.
Defamation of character....HA! If you had any idea how much work was put into there NOT being any mudslinging....
*YAWN*
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Jan 18, 2004, 9:05 PM
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here here! i say we bring the old chap back. i do so miss his bloated tales of treachery and large, multicolored font.
i want to learn how to climb walls really slow whilst bring too much shit.
also, i want to get the whole teenage predator thing sussed. i hear he's got the technique on LOCK DOWN.
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joe
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In reply to: Maybe you've met him, I haven't. It's irrelevant.
it will become relevant to you when you attempt to introduce your wife/gf/daughter to him.
it will all become so clear to you then.
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It is so funny in life how people find one person usually more well known then they are or let us say more well known then most in the general populace and then they proceed to slander and defame that person when they themselves have probably made more egregious errors in their life. What is sexual harrassment ?well the legal definition is only applicable in a work place, so let us find a rockclimbing.com definition, hmm someone who says inappropriate things in a sexual manner to another person, that might work. WAIT A SEC! Is that not the community forum? Whether Pete was arrogant or could only climb A3 does this matter? he contributed loads of pictures and stories, probably more than anyone on this site. So even if you think his advice is crap that is not all he gave open your eyes. As climbers I thought we were more loving and open people we recognize that everyone has a different sometimes weird, sometimes crazy personality, but does that make that person any less deserving? Oh I forgot it is America land of the scape-goat you have never done anything wrong just everyone else has, especially when that person is in someway totted as more important or more popular than you. It seemed like there was some sort of beef between Ammon Mcneeley and PTPP does anyone know what this was or am I just dreaming about that? PTPP seems like President Bush in someways, he is either loved or hated but usually blamed for everything by people who cannot even balance there own checkbooks but want to say how to run a country. What has Pete ever done to you? and the youngest girls I have ever seen post on this website are 18 or 19. now for Pete that is young but for most of us that is far from robbing the cradle, you guys make it sound like he sent nude pics of himself to a little 10 year old rockclimbing.com girl. Bring Pete back.
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Jan 19, 2004, 1:43 AM
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I got an idea. Lets burn him at the stake. :twisted:
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In reply to: It is so funny in life how people find one person usually more well known then they are or let us say more well known then most in the general populace and ..................... Bring Pete back.
O.J. Simpson was a great running back.
He still got away with murder.
The real sham continues to be people that confuse production in one area of life with moral character, integrity and etic.
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I for one do not miss him a bit. While the volume in our neck of the woods has been lower since he "left", it has been far more productive. Good bye to bad rubbish.
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organic
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HAHAHAHA NOW THAT IS AWESOME!
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I'd like to see Pete back on the site.
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I wasn't aware up till now that PTPP has been banned. I hope there were very good reasons for doing this. Please tell me that "Timpanogos" was kidding about that picture being the reason. I'm assuming it was just a joke. That picture was approved by an RC.COM admin to even get on the site. There's nothing wrong with it. Most of the pics of female climbers on this site show about 10 times more 'detail'!
As far as his contributions go, I enjoy his stories and have found some very useful information in his "banter". That's just me. It IS a forum. If this is an attack on his overall character and contributions, as opposed to his "alleged" lewd behavior towards minors, then I do have a problem with the banning. If you don't want to read his words, then don't! I do not, however, know the story and it's all conjecture as of now. I believe him to be an excellent contributor in many ways and would like to see him return.
Just my opinion! :wink:
-Jason :D
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timpanogos
Jan 19, 2004, 4:06 AM
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It was a joke.
The point being, maybe we took some of Pete's obnoxious ways just a bit too seriously?
As someone else noted, I believe the site has the features for those wishing no contact from or viewing of his material to block it.
I did the Prow with Pete last May. I would climb again with Pete anytime.
Pete has his quarks (don't we all) but he has a good heart.
More to the point, for better or worse, the majority of what I know about aid - came from Pete and this site. I for one am grateful for the ton's of time and effort that he was willing to spend with a non-female gumby like me.
Someone saying - just go to John Longs Big Walls and learn it - yea, right
Chad
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pete who?
rose??
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In reply to: PTPP seems like President Bush in someways, he is either loved or hated but usually blamed for everything by people who cannot even balance there own checkbooks but want to say how to run a country.
dude, i dont even like president bush, and i'm offended by that - i think a more appropriate celebrity comparison would be micheal jackson.
as a longtime lurker around here, there seemed to be a beef between pete and most of the users on this site.
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Jan 19, 2004, 5:28 AM
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can we get confirmation from an admin that he has indeed been banned? i thought when a user was banned all his profile info and forum posts were deleted, and u ended up with a "ghost user" in essence... i'm pretty sure i have seen it before with other banned ppl. yet all of pete's stuff is still here....
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Jan 19, 2004, 7:17 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: The best aid info here came from Pete. It still does... I don't know about that one, a lot of info has come from Pete, but I wouldn't call it the best. There are better aid climbers here at RC.com.
Pete would never claim it was the best way. Simply the "Better Way." :wink:
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timpanogos
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Plea to admins,
Please don't delete Pete's stuff - if there is a plan to do this, please give warning so some of us can capture some of the key posts.
Chad
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Uh.... why don't you just get it done if it's that important to you? What are you waiting for?
Robert
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In reply to: Plea to admins, Please don't delete Pete's stuff - if there is a plan to do this, please give warning so some of us can capture some of the key posts. Chad
Good God, get a hold of yourself man!
DMT
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Jan 19, 2004, 3:46 PM
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Pete is no longer a member of the site... If you have questions, then you have to ask Pete.
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rrrADAM moved this thread from Aid Climbing to Suggestions & Questions.
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Jan 19, 2004, 4:11 PM
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In reply to: Pete is no longer a member of the site... If you have questions, then you have to ask Pete.
And yet.... he is #4 on the "Top Users" list....
Hmmmmmm....
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Jan 19, 2004, 4:52 PM
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Ya bunch o' whiners. Serves ya right. This is part of the price you pay for a moderated site. Mind yourselves: you may be next.
JV
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rrrADAM
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In reply to: In reply to: Pete is no longer a member of the site... If you have questions, then you have to ask Pete. And yet.... he is #4 on the "Top Users" list.... Hmmmmmm....
Pete has contributed much over the past 2-3 years, so his place as #4 is accurate.
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my $0.02 .. since i've met pete, and have learned a thing or two from him ..
As hard as it is to say .. pete brought this upon himself.
I met pete last spring, and have been friends with him since. His information on this board is not always the best way (or even a good way) to do something on a wall, but then again, its "a way" of doing something, pete himself has posted that "His way" is a smorgasboard, take what you want, leave what you dont. -- and you cant argue with his record .. he has 20+ ascents of the big stone (as slow as they may have been .. its not a race) .. so he must know something.
I like that he shares his information for a small price. (that price being that you have to wade through all the ptpp non-sense to get to the nugget in the post.) -- and that his information is available for all to see, many times on this board, you have to have credentials before people will share information with you -- (mostly because they are afraid you'll kill yourself -- valid) .. imagine my situation when i decided i wanted to learn solo aiding last summer, -- i had 8 months total climbing experience, and 6 months of lead expeience .. if i had told anyone that i wanted to learn solo aiding so i could do el capitan 3 months later, i would have been laughed out of the aid forum .. (umm -- come to think of it .. i got plenty of jabs coming my way for wanting to aid the tower) .. pete will help out anyone that asks (whatever his ulterior motive for helping is not important)
I'd hope that anyone who reads the internet for aid information has enough sense in them to think things through and test things in a non-fatal environment prior to deciding that its the way to do things.
I think pete has a good heart, and the fact that his posts are stlll online shows that he's more interested in sharing his info than being petty over being banned. (i'm hoping that the admin's gave him the option to remove his articles) .. of course maybe its just driven by ego of keeping ptpp persona alive .. but so what.
his way with women leaves almost everyone a bit queezy, i can tolerate it because i'm not a woman (so he's not humping my leg at the camp5 parking lot), and because i've not seen him do something totally inappropiate. But at the same time, if i had a girlfriend (or a just brought a friend who was female), i would warn them about his approach (huge come'ons) before they met him.
.. but not everyone dislikes his approach, i've seen lots of women react positively to pete.
those that hate pete on this board, i hope you guys find a way to forgive him, not because it will do anything for pete, but for yourselves.
-- ricardo
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Jan 19, 2004, 6:33 PM
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BOOYAH ricardol great post!
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Wow, i can almost see his face, i think..... I get more naked people in my inbox than that. sill, i guess that is an inapproiate picture?!?!?
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In reply to: those that hate pete on this board, i hope you guys find a way to forgive him, not because it will do anything for pete, but for yourselves. -- ricardo
Wow.
Great thought. I have no opinion on Pete, but it will help in other areas of life outside this board, for me.
Thank you.
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To the "bring him back" crowd:
Sounds like most of you have never even been around Pete in person. I guarantee you that the majority of those who called for him to go have been around him in real life. He was not banned for arbitrary or baseless causes. If you want a little more insight, do some searches. There are plenty of threads on this site with more details (yes, the sheep will say hearsay, or anonymous accusations, but some of us know better having witnesses similar incidents first hand)
If you want to interact with him, e-mail him. I'm sure he'd be happy to correspond with his supporters. Nobody shut down his e-mail or internet access as far as I know, and you could probably IM him too if you're into that. I don't have his contact info (nor do I want it), but I'm sure if you asked, someone on this site would pm it to you.
Even Diesel Toke and Ricky Ricardo, guys who've climbed with him or been mentored by him have said he brought it on himself and he spews alot of bs. These guys at one time fell into the total supporter category. You do the math.
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i'm a bit disgusted by all of this. if the admins think pete was so horrible (and that his posts were so offensive) to warrent banning him, doesn't it stand to reason that his posts (whose content supposedly caused the banning) should all be deleted? it seems very hipocrytical for the admins to ban pete but keep his posts for everyone to use. if he was so bad, shouldn't we get rid of his posts so no one else is offended by them?
another thing i think i should point out is that, in the latest battle before pete left, he actually came out on top. some of u may remember the 2 antagonizing threads about pete and his womanizing (i believe copperhead started them?)? the admins (Tim especially) reluctantly sided with pete - the consensus among them was "Pete did stuff that was wrong i the past and was dealt with - there is no evidence of any recent violations and no retroactive action will be taked now against past infractions"
...and then they ban him?
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They didn't remove OJ's bust from Canton, either. Go figure.
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Pete and I have had a mutual agreement that he would take an indefinite leave of absence from Rockclimbing.com. The details are private and I don't know of any TOS that requires us to release to the public why we did this. The bottom line is that Pete is still around, still able to view information, and has been encouraged (by me) to continue to write and maybe even start a website of his own. Personally, I like his contributions and it was very hard for me to make this decision with Pete. Sure he rubs a lot of (maybe most) people the wrong way, but the reality is that he knew a lot about what he did and was a distinct flare of color in a world of black and white. I have wished him the best and hope he continues to have a successful and budding career.
We agreed to leave all of his content on the site for "posterity sake" and we hope you will enjoy it. As for getting more of Dr. Piton and his "wee-wee" the crab wall, you can still send messages to Dr. Piton @ Rock & Ice or try to contact him directly. I am sure he will be glad to send back a 4 or 5 chapter email back to you. He's never been shy or out of words. ;)
I hope this is enough information, since I don't really feel comfortable sharing anymore. BTW, just in case anyone wants to know. I made final decision after about 3+ months of extensive research and consultation. And all mods, editors, and administrators knew about my decision before it was made. Nothing here was done rashly, by only one or two people, or without proper notification of appropriate parties (sorry I didn't consider 50,000 people per day as part of the appropriate parties on this one).
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In reply to: It was a joke. The point being, maybe we took some of Pete's obnoxious ways just a bit too seriously? As someone else noted, I believe the site has the features for those wishing no contact from or viewing of his material to block it. I did the Prow with Pete last May. I would climb again with Pete anytime. Pete has his quarks (don't we all) but he has a good heart. More to the point, for better or worse, the majority of what I know about aid - came from Pete and this site. I for one am grateful for the ton's of time and effort that he was willing to spend with a non-female gumby like me. Someone saying - just go to John Longs Big Walls and learn it - yea, right Chad
Chad...i couldn't have said it better
i LOVE that picture of Pete
bare feet ;) ...snow on the ground
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In reply to: who've climbed with him or been mentored by him have said he brought it on himself and he spews alot of bs. These guys at one time fell into the total supporter category. You do the math.
.. umm .. i'm still a pete supporter .. :-)
no doubt that i would have walked away from yose licking my wound in september if i hadn't met pete ..
but like trevor said, his banning has nothing to do with his aid skills .. thanks for writing something about this trevor ..
-- ricardo
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Jan 19, 2004, 10:38 PM
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I don't really care if he's here or not.
But it is nice to be able to see a good post by another user- Take copperheads post on making- well pretty much everything!- Buried or hijacked by Pete so he could be "the only one that knew anything". He defiantly caused some people to leave or post less- and I'm talking ablout some folks you could havew learned alot from.
Are we better with or without him? I don't know...nor do I care.
BUT i do know at least 2 women from this site who he sent NASTY photo's of himself- and They weren't the soloing one. That is not right.
josh
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For God's sake, let it die!!!??!!
Did Trevor not explain it clearly enough! F'n morons!?!
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I agree...this has now been answered a few times. No more rehashing nessicary. I am closing this thread
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Bring back PTPP
