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guangzhou
Dec 7, 2004, 11:45 PM
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johnhemlock wrote:
I will submit some haikus. Please critique. . .
Ice Climb #36
A posthole approach
Grip strength of Liberace
Cocoa thermos leaked
In reply to: Haikus are stupid When they're written in English STFU n00b -Jay konnichi wa こんにちは Nihongo ga Wakarimasuka
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guangzhou
Dec 7, 2004, 11:54 PM
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http://members.core.com/%7Eppekin/home.htm
In case some of you would like an online writing group that offer good feedback and has a positive attittude.
http://members.core.com/%7Eppekin/home.htm
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philbox
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Dec 8, 2004, 12:45 AM
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I`m actually thinking that the whole of rc.com is one big writers critique group. Check out community forum sometime, you can post anything you want (vague paraphrasing reference to Alices Restaurant). You want a good critiquing then they`ll give it to you whether you like it or not. :lol:
Perhaps that forum may be the best place to go for a critique. If that is acceptable then placing a notice on any post that this is a post of some writing requiring a critique may well engender the desired critique. It is a given that the smart alecs may not treat it kindly though.
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guangzhou
Dec 8, 2004, 2:25 AM
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I think that having a specific place like a club, where people go to for the specific perpose of posting and critiquing would help out more then a regular forumm.
Eman
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prezwoodz
Dec 8, 2004, 2:45 PM
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I read all of the posts and still would like to take part in a writers forum. There are many good points in everyones comments but i still think that there are some parts which are being missed. For instance i belive that if someone was writing something which they were going to put up simply for the point of being critiqued than there would probably be that want to try harder to find grammatical and other errors in the first place. I recently put up a trip report and i dont think i even spell checked it. I didnt write it to have my writing critiqued so i didnt think much about the errors however, while reading about a writers critique forum i had already thought about editing it to see if i could make it better.
In reply to: I like to write the way that I think and speak, which is not always the proper Queen's Engrish (lame joke mis-type; don't get your panties in a wad...). I like to take chances and try different formats. I compare it to being out on lead with bad pro; sometimes you crash and burn, other times you pull it off by the skin of the teeth, but either way you are riding an adrenaline bronco and it just feels so good. I certainly do not want anyone to pick apart a piece of my writing who does not know or understand the spirit in which it was written. I recently added a trip report that makes me cringe when I re-read it for all of the minor grammatical errors and such. But you know what? This is only the internet, and in the end, it's really not that important. However, I find it vastly more interesting than the recycled drivel that the print mags crank out.
Its true that in the end your post of your story on the internet is probably not important to you but if there was errors in a certian part of your story which you posted and someone suggested some fixes than maybe you could see in your whole story how you could have made changes. Theres always the possibility of sending your story to a local moutaineering paper and having them put it in there issues.
I think there are several reasons that i write. One of course is to relieve my mind, sometimes it takes writing before i can stop thinking about it. Another is try and show someone else what i went through and how it felt. Since they couldnt be there they can only get this from my writing. If i write something and want others to read it to show them how i feel and i get a reply that is something like "the emotion is missing from your story" than i may realize that my main reason for writing the story is lost in the errors of how i wrote it. I would be extremly gracious to people who would critique what i write and could help me get close to being able to explain in writing my true emotions at the time so that everyone could understand.
Also it would be a writers forum where you could go and post your writings correct? I dont think this would take the place of a Trip Report and from what i could see it wouldnt have to. The trip report often becomes more like a story than it probably should anyway. Maybe with a writers forum the differences could be seen easier between "Pitched tent,climbed gully,made summit" and "After spending hours setting up the tent we started into the steep and rocky gully on our way to the summit."
Im not sure if this makes to much sense but i would be a happy contributor in both writing and critiquing if this forum got off the ground.
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pedro_burrito
Dec 8, 2004, 2:54 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: I will submit some haikus. Please critique. . . Ice Climb #36 A posthole approach Grip strength of Liberace Cocoa thermos leaked Haikus are stupid When they're written in English STFU n00b -Jay Haiku #2 Arrogant asshole Personality transplant? I think you need one. Typical gumby Sense of humor is lacking Love 5.7 slab -Jay
Haiku and climbers
Seriousness and outrage
JT cracks me up
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taualum23
Dec 8, 2004, 3:32 PM
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Silly rock climbers
Fighting arguing bitching
You have common love.
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taualum23
Dec 8, 2004, 3:48 PM
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So are we going to sit around talking about this thing forever or is somebody going to post up some writing?
edit: I am not brave enough to be said individual.
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dingus
Dec 8, 2004, 4:03 PM
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dingus
Dec 8, 2004, 4:06 PM
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happiegrrrl
Dec 8, 2004, 4:23 PM
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All right, then......
I promise to read/comment on Dingus' submission later on....right now, I've got to go to work.
Here is my submission, which has already been rejected for publication in the Rock & Ice 2004 Writing Contest. If you lop off the last bit on the URL, you can also read all the other entries for the contest, many of which are far better than mine.
http://www.rockandice.com/...arco_wherebegin.html
I know I said I wouldn't join the forum if snipers were going to set up along the sidelines... but since it's not reallyset up yet, I'll take the risk.
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prezwoodz
Dec 8, 2004, 5:54 PM
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You do make excellent points dingus :) infact
In reply to: Rather than writing to someone else's emotions, write to your own! To hell with someone else's style... develop your own. OWN YOUR WRITING. Fight for it, demand the liberty to write as you see fit, not as others dictate. Don't expect others to do it for you. They can't even if they want.
this is how i write. and how i feel about writing, i guess i was trying more make someone else feel different about their writing without thinking about how i feel about it myself. Thanks for the clearup! :) Im gonna print your story out and give it a read :) hope you dont mind if i print it first i cant stand reading long internet stuff!
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prezwoodz
Dec 8, 2004, 6:07 PM
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very good story dingus...its great to think of it in an abstract way. it seems in the story almost anything you think of could be the situation. its very open and enjoyable because your imagination has to play with it ;) and also
In reply to: "No buts. We're climbers, Angel. All climbing ultimately leads here if ya let it. Climbing is a lot of things to a lot of people. I don't know about them. But I know about me. I know about us. For us, well, you do it long enough and you end up stuck to some frozen pile of shit, fighting for your life. It's inevitable. The better you get, the more exposed you are. The more dangerous it will be. Succeed and you're that much stronger. Next time will probably be even worse. Fail? You're dead. Then it doesn't matter. We're climbers Angel. Good ones. We're here because we've earned it. We paid our admission. And we'll be here again because we're survivors too. There's somethin in us that makes us test ourselves; to see if we can take it. Well... we can take it. Can't we?"
Is an excellent paragraph...you somehow wrote my exact fear :)
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fiend
Dec 8, 2004, 6:20 PM
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I changed my mind on the Writers' Club forum.
Please start one and make it viewable only to those who are members of the Writers' Club group.
With any luck I will never have to see another one of those god awful 'haikus' ever again.
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philbox
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Dec 8, 2004, 9:17 PM
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fiend I feel for you man, I`m here for you buddy.
As for the writers club forum I`d like to suggest that this is not created but rather people should feel free to post in the various forums their topic related stories and request a critique in the topic header.
guangzhou the OP of this thread has dropped a climbing story in general forum and it was critiqued in there. Click here to check it out
Then there is dingus` bravery in starting another thread for a critique.
I do believe that we can all learn something from these exercises. It would be far more instructive for the general population of this site to have these critiques out there for all to see rather than a myopic few.
I propose that these types of threads be moderated such that if anyone indulges in any sort of attack or flamage then those inappropriate posts be deleted. Of course this is open for discussion by the people participating in this thread.
Over to you.
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philbox
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Dec 8, 2004, 11:15 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: fiend I feel for you man, I`m here for you buddy. Wise beyond his years He looks out for all of us Philbox is the Man :lol:
What can I say, I`m all choked up now :cry: , I love you guys. :lol:
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guangzhou
Dec 8, 2004, 11:36 PM
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By having these writings in one location, they would be easier to find and less likely to be lost in the shuffle.
Look at the photo critic. All pictures posted/submited get commented on, while all picture on this site don't.
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climbsomething
Dec 9, 2004, 12:07 AM
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In reply to: By having these writings in one location, they would be easier to find and less likely to be lost in the shuffle. Look at the photo critic. All pictures posted/submited get commented on, while all picture on this site don't.
True, not all pics submitted to the general database (but not the PCC) get commented on, although I have noticed that when the poster submits one with a "please tell me why you voted X" or whatever in the description, people usually respond. You just have to ask.
Sorry things aren't going the way you'd like. But do keep writing, for yourself!
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guangzhou
Dec 9, 2004, 2:01 AM
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Strange, seems that many people have stated that they were interested. I have not seen the management post anything accept "we are closely watching this thread."
Again, posting these in trip report, community, or else where would not be as beneficial. They would get lost at the end of a long list of other threads. People would have to look at each indivisual post, another words, the ease of finding something creative would be lost.
Most pictures don't get critique, even when people ask.
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:deadhorse:
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jt512
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Question for Phil: Can we ban an icon, or do we have to manually ban each user who posts it?
-Jay
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maculated
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Hey Jay, this is for you: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :tinfoilhat:
I personally love the dead horse icon.
You know, you guys could just start a new thread like the MASS climbers' thread and people could just post to it in an onging manner.
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climbsomething
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In reply to: Question for Phil: Can we ban an icon, or do we have to manually ban each user who posts it? -Jay |
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In reply to: In reply to: Question for Phil: Can we ban an icon, or do we have to manually ban each user who posts it? -Jay haha. But the horsey icon is like the semicolon or pepper- when used occasionally, it's fine. And I think it was used appropriately here! neeeeeigh.
I think we've beat the dead horse icon to death. Can someone put together an icon for that?
-Jay
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