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mshore
Apr 25, 2005, 3:37 PM
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Ambler,
Cheers from 4 miles down the road. Do we know each other? A couple of questions without wounding like a dick or anything but:
1.) There seems to be an underlying point that you have not put out there yet. Are you calling most of the photographs on this site fake?
2.) Maybe I am a gumby becuase I never studied art or took a photo theory class but will someone answer me this - where do art and reality cross paths? If someone only uses a 10% saturation, and a little bit of unsharpmask - are they faking it? Ansel Adams was crazy with tweaking in the darkroom - was he a cheater or did they just not have the digital darkroom setup in his day?
3.) If someon e likes a picture or the piece of art exacts a feeling from someone then what does it matter if the image was only slightly tweaked or fully manipulated like yours?
It occurs to me that I may have taken the bait on a decent troll here but knowing that, and my limited experience with shooting,(less than a year) - It seems to me that all of it is art - you either like it you hate it, believe what you see or don't and it doesn't really matter.
Your photoshop skills are terrific - wish I had them. However - with a decent camera, a filter or two, and a shit ton of effort - you can take pretty good shots of people doing something the first go, no pose, and no bullshit - it just takes a long time to get it and a lot of images to get what you are looking for.
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capcom1701
Apr 25, 2005, 3:49 PM
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In reply to: wounding like a dick
I'm assuming this is due to the proximity of the "w" and "s" keys. Or is it some new climber parlance I've kissed the boat on? :wink:
[edited to add wink]
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sidepull
Apr 25, 2005, 3:56 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: wounding like a dick I'm assuming this is due to the proximity of the "w" and "s" keys. Or is it some new climber parlance I've kissed the boat on? :wink: [edited to add wink]
paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud, Dr, are you there?
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ambler
Apr 25, 2005, 3:56 PM
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In reply to: 1.) There seems to be an underlying point that you have not put out there yet. Are you calling most of the photographs on this site fake?
In reply to: 2.) Maybe I am a gumby becuase I never studied art or took a photo theory class but will someone answer me this - where do art and reality cross paths? If someone only uses a 10% saturation, and a little bit of unsharpmask - are they faking it? Ansel Adams was crazy with tweaking in the darkroom - was he a cheater or did they just not have the digital darkroom setup in his day?
Although while we're on subjects of unreality, I love Velvia slide film, although I know it's not real. Taking a stack of it to Greenland this week, and the SLR instead of my much lighter digital setup.
In reply to: 3.) If someon e likes a picture or the piece of art exacts a feeling from someone then what does it matter if the image was only slightly tweaked or fully manipulated like yours?
In reply to: It occurs to me that I may have taken the bait on a decent troll here |
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overlord
Apr 25, 2005, 4:04 PM
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nice job man. looks really good, and if i just looked at it i most likely wouldnt have noticed that it was PSped.
and, dont sweat it. i use PS to crop things too. but i havent tried to remove anything like that. gotta learn to use it better i guess.
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shakylegs
Apr 25, 2005, 4:38 PM
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Is this at Mass Production Wall (in RRC)?
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atpeaceinbozeman
Apr 25, 2005, 4:47 PM
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A bit of thread drift but.....
In reply to: my limited experience with shooting,(less than a year)
Good God Man! :shock: your shots are superb....
http://www.simplifiedsigns.org/worship.jpg
Nice PS work too Ambler...you coming back to Bozone ever?!?
Tom
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knol
Apr 25, 2005, 6:51 PM
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:D nnaaah thats not deception, THIS is deception...
http://img12.echo.cx/...eranyfeartemp9ca.jpg
yay, removing ropes and gear sure do make for some kool pictures......................................................
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aulwes
Apr 25, 2005, 7:13 PM
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In reply to: I don't use photoshop, but rather " the GIMP," a free program. It also can produce some deceptive results:
The Gimp is the best!!!
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curt
Apr 25, 2005, 7:36 PM
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In reply to: Is this at Mass Production Wall (in RRC)?
Nope--this is Joshua Tree.
Curt
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shakylegs
Apr 25, 2005, 8:00 PM
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Thanks. Funny how, from that angle, they look similar.
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obe
Apr 25, 2005, 8:09 PM
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In reply to: :D nnaaah thats not deception, THIS is deception... http://img12.echo.cx/...eranyfeartemp9ca.jpg yay, removing ropes and gear sure do make for some kool pictures......................................................
Looks cool...but you forgot to remove the gravity defying quickdraws! :D
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servantsheart
Apr 25, 2005, 10:41 PM
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the previous question on the table is:
In reply to: where do art and reality cross paths? If someone only uses a 10% saturation, and a little bit of unsharpmask - are they faking it?
Art can be anything that the artist creates it to be. He hasn't claimed it to be an authentic photo... the original was and he has shown that... but for art's sake... he can do anything he wants to to that picture that he pleases:
http://img.photobucket.com/...16108AbOWzdszbNh.jpg
that is art... and I would claim it photography... usually disclaimed as "digital photography"
(disclaimer: ambler, I will not take this photo as work of my own, I only used it as an example)
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pico23
Apr 27, 2005, 4:41 AM
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heres the deal with photography, it's both art and documentation. Only the instant that you click the shutter is it a technical skill which the camera does the work. The rest of the time the photographer chooses the tools (aperture, focal lenght, angles of composition, shutter speed, filters, and what to accentuate in exposure, etc.) much like a painter selects brushes and colors.
If the photographer has no artistic talent his/her shots can be technically flawless but they will never show a vision. However, that doesn't erode the second part of photography which is historical documentary. Even uninspired snapshots can have significant meaning to both the masses and you as an individual. Think about those family photo albums. Most are nothing more than hundreds of snapshots which may or may not be technically correct but they show you a timeline of your life and that is important enough in itself to some people.
My point is that photoshop is an excellent extension of the art of photography, just like Ansel Adams extended photography into the darkroom, but for the first time the lines of historical archiving are blurred. Ansels photos might have been marginally tweaked for levels and contrast but he didn't add or subtract anything from history. Imagine your favorite pet as a 3 year old being photoshopped out of the family albums because he was hit by a car and you were so traumatized your mom felt you should never be reminded again. Kind of an oddball example but one I could see happening with a overprotective photoshop savy parent.
You can translate this into any photographic genre and for me the age of photographic innocence is dead, or perhaps it was for a long time and I'm just catching on. I'll never again look at a photo without skepticism. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy the photo, it just means I can no longer view photos without any thought for their validity.
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trevzilla
Apr 27, 2005, 9:41 PM
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In reply to: It's not like you pulled a Batman (laying on a slab and then turning the picture to make it look like you're on an overhang), be brave, be proud of being a photoshop lover :P
So is this considered a "batman?"
http://photobucket.com/.../ColtersOverhang.jpg
I'll post the Real Image Below
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onsight_endorphines
Apr 27, 2005, 10:23 PM
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Nice!!! Cool!
The first thing I looked at was gravity pulling the gear down...everything was definately hanging (maybe a little too much, lol) so perhaps it was real...
Nope!
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bsperes
Apr 28, 2005, 5:18 PM
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two problems with the pic in the OP
1 - lead rope is taught, no slack whatsoever, hell at that height you should still be spotting since there were no pieces in
2 - the lead rope runs from the belayer directly into the climber's heel.
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tradnomad
Apr 28, 2005, 5:30 PM
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In reply to: two problems with the pic in the OP 1 - lead rope is taught, no slack whatsoever, hell at that height you should still be spotting since there were no pieces in 2 - the lead rope runs from the belayer directly into the climber's heel.
The guy is really leading in the first shot (the rope wasn't added), and I would guess that he has a piece in behind his knee... hence the tight belay to keep him from decking.
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