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omegaclimb
May 10, 2005, 11:21 PM
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Any one else see the folks on fear factor rappeling out of a helicopter with a gri gri? I thought this was a no no.
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guangzhou
May 10, 2005, 11:25 PM
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What is a no no, rappelling out of a helicoper or using a grigri?
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crotch
May 10, 2005, 11:29 PM
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Sounds dangerous. Wouldn't the grigri concentrate the static electricity generated by the chopper blades? That could cause a wicked shock to the balls.
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carter
May 10, 2005, 11:32 PM
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I did not see the Fear Factor episode, but I also thought that you were not supposed to rappel on a grigri. I looked into it and on the Petzl website the grigri is classified as a belay device and a descender.
Carter
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climbsomething
May 10, 2005, 11:32 PM
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Those Not Real Climbers should have sought out some technical consultants, eh? DURRR?
And rappelling (on a single line) with a GriGri is totally kosher.
EDIT: OH MY GOD I misspelled rappelling! Bad Hils, BAAAAAAD.
Electrotesticution... cute.
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caughtinside
May 10, 2005, 11:36 PM
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Kosher? Kosher? Sure, maybe for someone with no balls. Fellas, rapping a single line from a helo on a grigri will mess you up. Women can do it, and I think that if you've got 2 guys simulrapping on grigris, four balls should be enough to ground the static charge and prevent electrictestecution.
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crotch
May 10, 2005, 11:39 PM
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Here's the crazy part I forgot to mention; guys can rap a double line with an ATC because the two strands cancel each other out. One ends up taking the positive charge, the other gets the negative charge, and your balls are spared.
In reply to: Kosher? Kosher? Sure, maybe for someone with no balls. Fellas, rapping a single line from a helo on a grigri will mess you up. Women can do it, and I think that if you've got 2 guys simulrapping on grigris, four balls should be enough to ground the static charge and prevent electrictestecution. In reply to: Sounds dangerous. Wouldn't the grigri concentrate the static electricity generated by the chopper blades? That could cause a wicked shock to the balls. |
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climbinginchico
May 10, 2005, 11:56 PM
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In reply to: I also thought that you were not supposed to rappel on a grigri. I looked into it and on the Petzl website the grigri is classified as a belay device and a descender. Carter
So, when rappelling you're not descending? Shit, I'm all confused. Someone help me out here...
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steadymatrock
May 11, 2005, 12:04 AM
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Reppelling is decending or abseiling some call it.Donno abt the static from the chopper but I've seen ppl using gri gri to reppel.I stick to 8 on the mountains or atc on crag.
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altelis
May 11, 2005, 12:34 AM
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steady steadymatrock-
i'm going to assume that english isn't your 1st language, cause geese, this thread is DRIPPING with sarcasm
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blkdiamond
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I have "descended" or "rappelled" on a single line with my gri-gri multiple times without any problems.
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omegaclimb
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crotch Posted: 10 May 2005 23:29 Post subject: Re: Fearfactor rappeling w/ gri gri
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Sounds dangerous. Wouldn't the grigri concentrate the static electricity generated by the chopper blades? That could cause a wicked shock to the balls.
I think it would generate any more static electricity than the figure 8's that the military use to jump out of helicopters. I don't remember hearing about military personel being shocked that way and I climb with a former recon ranger.
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coloclimbergog
May 11, 2005, 2:19 AM
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Umm... and... so, according to the previous posts... It should shock the hell out of you to rapell with an ATC on a single rope? Guys... come on! Brighten up! Even if there were static it would be from just the rope, and well, it might shock you when you hit the ground, but... thats only if you hit the ground before the rope, as it would ground you out... hmm... lets see... are you jumping out of the chopper or rapelling?
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blouderk2
May 11, 2005, 2:34 AM
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Yeah i saw the episode when they were rappelling. I did not know they used a gri gri, but it looked funny as hell because the rap wasnt smooth at all. It was very jerky though. Looked dangerous.
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grover
May 11, 2005, 2:36 AM
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You openly admit to watching "Fear Factor"?
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crotch
May 11, 2005, 3:10 AM
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In reply to: I think it would generate any more static electricity than the figure 8's that the military use to jump out of helicopters. I don't remember hearing about military personel being shocked that way and I climb with a former recon ranger.
Have you ever seen a lightning rod shaped like a figure-8, nice and rounded? No. You need sharp angles to attract electricity, and the 8 is too smooth for that. The gri-gri on the other hand has lots of sharp bends that WILL zap you.
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hersh_ml
May 11, 2005, 3:21 AM
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So did you guys ever think while the people are in the helicoper that the earth could be building up a super huge positive charge, and then dump that into the gri-gri? Brings a whole new dimension to this conversation doesn't it? I am working on this topic right now for my senior mechanical engineering project.
Mike
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May 11, 2005, 3:47 AM
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Masterful crotch simply masterful. Ya keep reeling em in with every cast, nice work. T6 fer sure.
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climbsomething
May 11, 2005, 5:20 AM
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Today's hero: crotch! :lol:
Ya see kids, *this* is how ya gotta do it.
1) be articyoolit with big words like and spel them right 2. no talk like internet tool.
2) keep the tone totally, totally straight.
3) infiltrate from the inside. Don't start the thread, invade it.
Nunna this "I'm a new climber can I make my own webbing" shit. There's trolling, and then there's just urinating in public.
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bouldershiz
May 11, 2005, 5:27 AM
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It may or not be smart, but I know would repel out of a helicopter on a Gri-Gri for 50 thousand dollars
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crotch
May 11, 2005, 5:29 AM
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In reply to: It may or not be smart, but I know would repel out of a helicopter on a Gri-Gri for 50 thousand dollars
Umm. Let's get Xtreme now. Would you take it from a man for 50K? Just to put the gri-gri thing into perspective, you know.
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bouldershiz
May 11, 2005, 5:40 AM
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No...why? are looking to blow 50k, or what? It's risk versus reward. I think that the Fear Factor staff probably thought their system was safe enough, and it didn't end up failing. However I probably wouldn't make a habit of rappeling on a Gri-Gri after reading through this forum.
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guangzhou
May 11, 2005, 5:42 AM
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Actually, it doesn't matter what you rap on, static electricity will be generated anytime you abseil from a heli. To prevent from being zap, the pilot normally lands and discharges the electric shock before arriving to the rap site.
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vegastradguy
May 11, 2005, 6:05 AM
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i saw the episode, and at first i thought it was a grigri, but it looked a little big.
perhaps it was the I'D from petzl (the super sized grigri....)....
at any rate, it was funny to watch them bouncing down those ropes....
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crotch
May 11, 2005, 4:58 PM
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:shock:
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