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desertdude420
Oct 2, 2006, 9:08 PM
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In reply to: I just picked up an MSR Dragonfly since my last Primus stove crapped out on us in the back country about a month ago. The MSR works great so far. For car camping though ya gotta have a double burner Coleman. It makes me laugh when the wanna be next to you pulls out their ultra light little single burner stove and then they look at your big stove like your some kind of freak :lol: Get a grip your CAR CAMPING for f--- sakes :lol:
Thanks. Somebody had to say it.
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antiqued
Oct 2, 2006, 9:29 PM
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In reply to: I have the whisperlite as well. Unfortuantely, I've noticed this past season that fuel leaks out of the flame-adjustment valve when I first open it up for priming. Anyone know what I should do to fix this? .
After several years of very light use, mine started doing the same thing - I grabbed the parts kit, and replaced the appropriate gasket, successfully.
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shakylegs
Oct 2, 2006, 9:42 PM
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Thanks, I'll check that out.
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petsfed
Oct 2, 2006, 9:53 PM
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For long trips I have a Brunton liquid fuel stove that I won in a raffle. For short backcountry trips I have an MSR Superfly. They're both adjustable, which is crucial for me, otherwise I'd use pellet stoves or popcan alcohol stoves. Kind of a compromise between light and fast and in-camp gourmet, as it were. The Brunton is a little inconvenient sometimes though.
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thetroutscout
Oct 2, 2006, 11:38 PM
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When I said they don't hold pots well, I meant the fact that you either have to carry another larger can, like the odd coffee can or make some other home-made abomination that still is never as good as the real thing. I'm a gram (or oz.) counter just as much as the next guy but for a 3 oz. (86 g) Pocket Rocket + 4 oz kettle which holds a + 8 oz fuel canister, just shy of a pound for stove, fuel and pot, + 3.5 boiling of water; that is well worth the hassle of that beastie alcohol stove.
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thegreytradster
Oct 2, 2006, 11:52 PM
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Svea 123.
I've never emptyed it for packing and never had it leak. In fact. if you fill it or equalize the pressure when it's cool it will self prime as long as you gain some altitude before the next time you use it.
Haven't lost any parts either.
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tradmule
Oct 3, 2006, 12:00 AM
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I have a 15 year old whisperlite and use it for car camping as well as backpacking. I cannot say enough about how good this thing is.
Mule
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nilregrets
Oct 3, 2006, 3:43 AM
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After using a Wisperlight all summer leading backpacking trip I bought a Pocketrocket. There’s something nice about the simplicity. The way I look at it, fuel is cheep enough the way I use it, and when am I really going to be in a situation where I can find aviation fuel, crude oil, or whatever else you can throw in the international and not a pressurized fuel canister.
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lextalion
Oct 3, 2006, 4:40 AM
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I have three stoves.
I have used the Whisper Light International liquid fuel stove for about 10 years. A very dependable stove while not weighing a lot. However fuel is heavy. Another down side is that it doesn't simmer as well as some of the new canister stoves. Then again a lot of them don't work really well either. I also like that it is very stable and can handle larger pans, being that it is low to the ground and can be put on a base plate. It is also very easy to field strip and rebuild when you do have problems. Most canister stoves don't have that option. It also is a stove designed to work in higher altitude without a lot of worry about failure.
My new Primus Omifuel stove is the best of all worlds. Being very stable while weighing more than my whisper light. It runs not only on liquid fuel, but on canister fuel as well. And this little blow torch will boil water faster than any stove I've been around (1 liter in 3 minutes @ 9000 ft).
It also has the rebuildability of that of the MSR Whisperlight, but tweeked a bit better in some aspects.
It's an investment that I'm happy I made. It won't make me retire my whisper light, however it won't be my primary stove any more as I do haul both of them when doing trips where my party is more than the two of us. And I don't like to wait to finish one dish then eat in courses. (to much time cooking and not enough time hiking or climbing).
For car camping I use a three burner coleman propane stove. It is great for taking the family out and rustling up killa chow.
As far as the alcohol beer can stoves, I've seen them however I'm not that impressed as while you're reducing the weight. Cooking time and ability of flame adjustment is a trade off. Also in higher elevation or in areas of higher dew points or humidity - water in can effect the fuel of alcohol stoves more than of the canister or White gas stoves.
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westtexasrocker
Oct 3, 2006, 4:24 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: I just picked up an MSR Dragonfly since my last Primus stove crapped out on us in the back country about a month ago. The MSR works great so far. For car camping though ya gotta have a double burner Coleman. It makes me laugh when the wanna be next to you pulls out their ultra light little single burner stove and then they look at your big stove like your some kind of freak :lol: Get a grip your CAR CAMPING for f--- sakes :lol: Thanks. Somebody had to say it.
Ha ha I love it. Look at all the people owning up to using the Coleman's :D
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qtm
Oct 3, 2006, 4:52 PM
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In reply to: After using a Wisperlight all summer leading backpacking trip I bought a Pocketrocket. There’s something nice about the simplicity. The way I look at it, fuel is cheep enough the way I use it, and when am I really going to be in a situation where I can find aviation fuel, crude oil, or whatever else you can throw in the international and not a pressurized fuel canister.
Well, the beauty of the multi-fuel stoves is that when you travel by plane, you don't need to make a specific stop at a gear shop to buy a canister of fuel. You can stop at a gas station and pick up some kero or diesel, which might take an extra few minutes, as opposed to trying to find a gear shop that's a few miles out of your way, and which might or might not be open.
When I'm travelling straight from home, I'll pack the canister since they're so convenient.
As far as car camping goes, I still use a cansiter stove because I'm just heating water for dehydrated meals and coffee. I haven't gotten into the whole two burner coleman thing mostly because I don't like cooking in the first place. I'm fine with dehydrated meals, powdered eggs and powder creamer for the coffee over having to clean a bunch of pots and plates and more so planning and purchasing groceries for the meals. I don't cook at home either, it's just not worth the time for me.
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david_smithrock
Oct 3, 2006, 11:05 PM
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I always laugh at my friends when they singe their eyebrows lighting a whisperlite or XGK. In the northwest, where most backcountry climbing trips are at low altitudes (14,000 ft. or less) and take a week or less, I love my little cheap Primus that screws on top of the fuel canister. Plus it only costs like $30, and weighs nothing. Not to mention it lights easy, is easy to maintain, is quicker to set up, and boils just as quick as any stove.
For car camping, you definitely can't beat a nice double burner propane powered Coleman. I have a big propane tank rigged up with attachment hoses, so I can go to Mexico and not refuel for 2 months!
Just don't buy the big Colemans with the liquid gas (the kind you have to pump). The seals always harden, crack, freeze, or some other obnoxious problem you never have time to repair (one has to eat, right?) I went through two in five years, then started using the propane powered kind.
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petsfed
Oct 6, 2006, 8:10 PM
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In reply to: Ok this will probably make some gear tech weenie really sour but I just bought one of those single burner, mount on the Coleman fuel cannister type stoves for $14 at Academy Sports and the thing will boil water in like 30-45 seconds. No s---, did it several times while climbing at Enchanted Rock this past weekend. Just some cheap ass brand, can't even remember the name. Bottom line, it was cheap, it worked awsome, it didn't weigh a ton, and I was cookin' food. enough said.
Well yeah, its just the burner out of a big two burner job with a fuel regulator tacked on there for kicks. Gets the job done, but its unstable as all hell. I've used them before. If you have a table or a nice slab of concrete to set it on, its great. Otherwise its a terrible stove. Gets blown over in the wind.
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climbaddic
Oct 6, 2006, 10:28 PM
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I was originally going to buy MSR Whisperlite International stove before my friend (who knows much more about backpacking than I do) suggested something else and I have to agree with him 100%.
Stove is made by Brunton's Nova stove.
http://www.rei.com/...REI_SSHP_CAMPING_TOC
Few things I found better than Whisperlite:
1) It doesn't come with PLASTIC pump. It comes in aluminum pump. Less chance to break I suppose.
2) Like Whisperlite, it can burn just about any burnable liquid you can get your hands on. However, you don't have to replace an jet like Whisperlite. Just put the liquid inside the tank and light.
3) Darn thing is so durable that you can't even get a maintance kit. No need.
4) you can actually simmer to any level!
5) You can clean the jet while you are cooking (use the magnetic wand)
6) It comes with the tool to clean everything you need.
7) When you want to turn off the stove. You just have to flip the canister and pressurized gas will release. Not a drop of gas is leaked anywere and make it very simple to pack it backup.
Bad thing:
1) Price is about 2 times the Whisperlite.
2) It is noisy little sucker. I use the MSR's windguard and it toned it down a notch.
3) It seems to take longer to boil water (this maybe due to Whisperlite having wider burner???).
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kobaz
Oct 8, 2006, 1:54 AM
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I have a whisperlite, a dragonfly and a pocket rocket, and I used to have a simmerlite (poor stove was lost somewhere in South Carolina).
The whisperlite is definitely my favorite for melting snow and boiling water, it has a very high heat output. I love my dragonfly for cooking pasta and frying up onions and garlic and things like that, it does take a while to boil water.
I used the pocket rocket for 94 days on the Appalachian Trail. It's only 3 ounces and the canisters weigh 2 ounces when empty. I would say a good half of the people on the trail this year had alcohol stoves. I find this odd because even with the lightest weight alcohol stove at about 1 ounce you don't really save much.
You need about the same amount of alcohol as pressurized fuel, and you're carrying a 1-2 ounce bottle for the fuel anyway so your real savings is about 2 ounces and you get nothing but drawbacks: longer boil times, more difficult flame control, limited burn time.
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al_piner
Oct 9, 2006, 3:04 PM
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Car camping - Coleman dual burner ( bring griddle for choclate chip pancakes )
Altitude or cold weather - Whisperlite multi fuel
Backpaking , day hike - alcohol
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