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roy_hinkley_jr
May 22, 2007, 1:59 PM
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Simon, you state that some companies are using 6000 series aluminum in their biners. Could you tell us who they are? Seems like 7075-T6 has been the industry standard for decades.
And what exactly is the relationship between DMM and Wild Country? Do you make their carabiners? Do they make your cams? It's all so confusing on this side of the pond.
Mike, what's significant about the ISO or is that just marketing? Are there real differences in cold forging? Seems like you just squeeze the hell out of aluminum rod to get the shape and then heat treat like everyone else. And when can I get some OP Uri Geller carabiners?!
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docjacen
May 22, 2007, 2:36 PM
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well, while we're asking questions, when is OP going to introduce more sizes in the link cams? I want lots of those.
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billcoe_
May 22, 2007, 5:30 PM
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I believe the only remaining player not heard from on this issue is Malcom from Trango.
I love that DMM (and Wild Country using the DMM process's) have pushed the envelope so hard on lighter, stronger, better biners.
When I started climbing, the Eigher Ovals common on every rack then, probably weighed double of a Helium, and at 1800lbs breaking strength WITH THE GATE CLOSED!, were signifigantly weaker than any crab made today.
I love those Trango superlight lockers too. Need a bit bigger gate, but 41 gms, dear lord, even us elderly folks can drag that stuff vertical.
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michaellane
May 22, 2007, 5:52 PM
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roy_hinkley_jr wrote: <clip> ... Mike, what's significant about the ISO or is that just marketing? Are there real differences in cold forging? Seems like you just squeeze the hell out of aluminum rod to get the shape and then heat treat like everyone else. And when can I get some OP Uri Geller carabiners?!
ISO Cold Forging is the real deal ... not just a marketing gimmick. By virtue of our unique tooling, dies, choice of materials, the combo of speed and pressure of our presses and other proprietary knowledge and assets, we discovered ways to move cold material further than anyone used to before in the manufacture of carabiners. Without the ISO Cold Forging technology, you'd break dies and materials all day long before you could successfully produce a single Jake or JC frame, for instance.
Our ISO Cold Forged biners were the first cold units to feature tri-lobing (the beefed-up corners for added strength), true rope-bearing radii (mentioned earlier), tapered noses and gates (for better long-term tuning and added strength) as well as fully-hooded gates (to prevent shredded ropes) and flat-spin rivets (to eliminate accidental gate opening).
All these features were introduced on cold-forged biners by Omega in the middle to late nineties. Many of them are now found on other brands, by the way.
To answer the question about Link Cams ... soon!
We're working out the bugs and release schedule for more units ... both smaller than the #1 and larger than the #2. I don't have anything more than that, but please stand by. We're working as hard as we can to get more sizes out. And thanks for the interest.
Regards to all ...
--ML
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madrock
May 22, 2007, 7:21 PM
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We have decided that our next production will be made with ISO Hot Forging. This will eliminate any questions about which manufacturing process is the best. 
We currently have Hot Forged Products and Cold Forged products. We have not made any Forged itmes with ISO letters in front of it. Which process is best seems to be in the Eyes for the Company selling the product.
I think what was originally being address was that a member on the site seemed to think that Hot Forging was always better process and that the new Mad Rock Carabiners might be inferior because of a chosen manufacturing process. I hope at least this misconception has been cleared up and we now know that every manufaturer has their own best process. We did not think so many people would take notice of us having a few pieces of climbing hardware in our range but it seems to have drawn out all the big dogs and little ones.
Joe
(This post was edited by madrock on May 29, 2007, 7:21 PM)
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skidawg
May 29, 2007, 6:43 PM
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Why the quick change to hot from cold after only one production run? If it's true that the difference between the two is in the eyes of the company selling it, and both are safe, then why the quick switch/intro to your gear with hot forging. I would trust they would both be safe enough to merit no noticeable difference to the climber, but I almost wonder if I shouldn't be second guessing the cold forge biners I have comming after seeing the last post.
I'm sure they're fine, but when a company sways so easily on such crucial gear, I get a little tingle up my spine.
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djoseph
May 29, 2007, 7:09 PM
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madrock wrote: the new Mad Rack Carabiners
Now that's some good branding. Trademark it while you can...
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madrock
May 29, 2007, 7:22 PM
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Mad Rack tm. Its F*cking Truck.
Done
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ckirkwood9
May 29, 2007, 8:00 PM
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madrock wrote: Mad Rack tm. Its F*cking Truck. Done
**POW**
there it is!
Madrock... i've not seen any others pick up on this... i'm very disappointed. i've been using the phrase exclusively at the local gym and have dropped it a few times at the Gunks; but my phrasiology has fallen 'pon deaf ears.
perhaps we should change it to be more p.c....
how about "that's f*cking hybrid"
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ckirkwood9
Oct 22, 2008, 9:14 PM
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Just checking in after over a year ... i STILL love my mad rock wiregate biners. i've not had any problems with them... they rack really well, look great and i've taken a few falls on them while trad climbing. nothing huge anywhere from a little slip/few feet to about 15 feet.
love them!
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kellymoe
Oct 23, 2008, 4:10 PM
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I am definitely buying some MR biners when the time comes. I haven't heard of any problems and the price cant be beat.
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j_ung
Oct 23, 2008, 4:43 PM
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I suspect Mad Rock will do well in the current/coming economic climate. Might have to look into that myself.
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kellymoe
Oct 23, 2008, 7:10 PM
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Why would someone not buy MR biners? They are safe and cheap. What's not to like about them? Too many people think that if it's cheap it must be cheaply made. The same people think that if it's expensive it must be super high quality and better. Not always true.
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djnevick
Oct 23, 2008, 7:40 PM
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I am the supervisor of a rock gym in Clarion PA and we use nothing but mad rock gear. Through my experiences with their biners they are very strong esp. for the price. the twist lock gates however do not last very long ( roughly a year) I have a set of the Ultra Light Tech Draws and I have taken many many falls on them, some of considerable height, and they hold up magnificently!
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billcoe_
Oct 23, 2008, 8:03 PM
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Why wouldn't you just buy steel for your rock gym and be done with it?
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acorneau
Oct 23, 2008, 10:51 PM
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anykineclimb wrote: billcoe_ wrote: Why wouldn't you just buy steel for your rock gym and be done with it? steel's more expensive. DUH! 
And much more durable, saving you money and time replacing gear!
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anykineclimb
Oct 24, 2008, 12:16 AM
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thank you captain obvious.
please note the winky face...
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