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mcfoley
Jan 23, 2008, 9:44 PM
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Flip a coin...Heads gets the helmet, tails gets to be a "retard" or killed.
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kachoong
Jan 24, 2008, 4:47 PM
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Niether should wear it... it's not cool to wear a helmet.... just look in all the magazines!
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Fenst
Jan 25, 2008, 7:32 AM
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This site is loaded with teenage trolls, I guess I will stick with my original pathos logic. This thread is just like the climbing gym I frequent, loaded with superiority complexes and ill-considerate climbers laced with the occasional climbing angel. Thanks to all who show class and contructive criticism!
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timd
Jan 25, 2008, 11:04 AM
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Tell your partner to buy a helmet, that way both of you will be safe.
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desertwanderer81
Jan 27, 2008, 5:52 AM
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The owner of the helmet wears it, end of story.
I know I wouldn't be giving mine away, on either end of the rope. Call me greedy, but I brought climbing with me for a reason :p
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karlie
Jan 31, 2008, 8:15 PM
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When I didn't have a "rock-climbing" helmet, I just used a bike helmet. Probably wasn't as good as the real thing, looked dorky as hell, but was definately better than nothing. And who doesn't have access to a bike helmet? If you don't, borrow one.
Now that I have my own helmet, I always wear it. It's not that I'm selfish but it was an investment into MY own safety. And I always have my bike helmet for my belayer/leader (if they don't have their own helmet.)
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billcoe_
Jan 31, 2008, 8:17 PM
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Fenst wrote: This site is loaded with teenage trolls, I guess I will stick with my original pathos logic. This thread is just like the climbing gym I frequent, loaded with superiority complexes and ill-considerate climbers laced with the occasional climbing angel. Thanks to all who show class and contructive criticism!
You're welcome.
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kostik
Jan 31, 2008, 8:19 PM
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The one left without a helmet must be creative:
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LarryHorwitz
Feb 8, 2008, 12:29 AM
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Without a second helment they SHOULD play checkers.
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erick
Feb 8, 2008, 1:20 AM
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alexmac wrote: You return to the car. Go get the other helmet.
No kidding. why is climbing or belaying without a helmet even an option? maybe it depends on your local crag, but i've experienced rockfall a number of times, with some scary close calls (sheep chilling above, stupid tourist throwing rocks off cliffs, or just climbing a dirty route with loose rock), it's not an option to be without one.
no helmet, no climbing, no belaying. Simple.
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caughtinside
Feb 8, 2008, 1:23 AM
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erick wrote: no helmet, no climbing, no belaying. Simple.
The rc.com safety cops always crack me up.
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markc
Feb 8, 2008, 1:42 AM
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LarryHorwitz wrote: Without a second helment they SHOULD play checkers.
Do you actually believe that? Do you wear a helmet in every single instance of belaying and climbing? A few people are giving constant helmet use lip service, but I just don't see it at the crag. I know I certainly don't practice it.
I almost always wear a helmet when climbing multipitch routes. I occasionally wear my helmet when sport climbing. I haven't worn a helmet toproping to date. YMMV, but there are times I'm quite comfortable lidless.
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erick
Feb 8, 2008, 4:47 AM
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caughtinside wrote: erick wrote: no helmet, no climbing, no belaying. Simple. The rc.com safety cops always crack me up.
Laugh to your heart's content. The way i see it, the mountains rarely offer a second chance when it comes to safety.
but what's the deal, is climbing with a helmet 'not your style'? what makes the risk worth taking?
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caughtinside
Feb 8, 2008, 5:46 AM
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erick wrote: caughtinside wrote: erick wrote: no helmet, no climbing, no belaying. Simple. The rc.com safety cops always crack me up. Laugh to your heart's content. The way i see it, the mountains rarely offer a second chance when it comes to safety. but what's the deal, is climbing with a helmet 'not your style'? what makes the risk worth taking?
the risk? What risk? is the risk the same for every route? Every area?
I wear a helmet when I feel it's warranted. When it's not I don't. It's no substitute for good judgment.
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Arrogant_Bastard
Feb 8, 2008, 5:56 AM
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caughtinside wrote: erick wrote: no helmet, no climbing, no belaying. Simple. The rc.com safety cops always crack me up.
All the safety cops around here crack me up.
fuk yous!!!!
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curt
Feb 8, 2008, 6:07 AM
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But, what if you're out climbing some fucking horror-show multi-pitch route--and neither you nor your partner have a helmet? Gasp!!!
Curt
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alexmac
Feb 8, 2008, 4:04 PM
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Dude, just don't climb with those that don't wear a helmet, simple. I won't climb with someone who does not wear a helmet and insists its always okay at climb "xyz" for the simple reason if their judgement is that bad for a mere simple helmet makes me question their placements, knots, etc.
Saying there are times when its always safe to climb outdoors without a helmet is like saying "Hey I drove drunk home yesterday, so its okay to it now cause no one has gotten hurt yet".
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markc
Feb 8, 2008, 4:47 PM
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alexmac wrote: Saying there are times when its always safe to climb outdoors without a helmet is like saying "Hey I drove drunk home yesterday, so its okay to it now cause no one has gotten hurt yet".
No, actually it isn't. Drinking impairs reasoning, reaction time, motor skills, etc. To my knowledge, these aren't a factor when someone decides not to wear a helmet. You have the same abilities, but may suffer worse consequences if an object strikes you on the head, if you invert in a fall, etc. Wearing a helmet doesn't automatically make you 'safe'. You can constantly wear a lid and still be a bumbling idiot.
I don't recall anyone saying with absolute certainty that specific crags are always safe. However, I feel confident saying that there are circumstances where risk of rockfall or falling objects is slight. In those cases, I have decided I'm willing to accept the chance of added injury. So long as I have freedom of choice, I'll rely upon my reasoning (faulty as it may be at times) rather than on hard and fast rules. Your mileage obviously varies.
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blueeyedclimber
Feb 8, 2008, 5:57 PM
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alexmac wrote: Saying there are times when its always safe to climb outdoors without a helmet is like saying "Hey I drove drunk home yesterday, so its okay to it now cause no one has gotten hurt yet".
This is a stupid analogy. One has nothing to do with the other. When I make a choice to do something, whether it's to not wear a helmet or to run something out, there are risks. I am aware of those risks and make a conscious choice. If you always wear a helmet, than that's great, but if you choose your partners on the sole basis that they either wear a helmet or don't then you will be climbing with a few bumbling idiots and passing up a few partners that know their shit. But...the choice is yours.
BTW, I wear a helmet quite often. But, not 100% of the time, so I guess climbing with you is out of the question.
Josh
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alexmac
Feb 8, 2008, 6:17 PM
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"blueeyedclimber wrote: BTW, I wear a helmet quite often. But, not 100% of the time, so I guess climbing with you is out of the question. Josh
Yes, exactly the point thank you for making it once again for me. Each climber makes a their own choice and I vote for helmets outdoors always.
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olderic
Feb 8, 2008, 7:04 PM
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Those that hide behind rules and laws to make their choices lack the capacity for independent thought and reasoning.
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pro_alien
Feb 8, 2008, 7:17 PM
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curt wrote: But, what if you're out climbing some fucking horror-show multi-pitch route--and neither you nor your partner have a helmet? Gasp!!!
Then I would declare victory and retreat. I usually wear my helmet, often even during the walk down.
On the other hand, a recent article in my local newspaper said that even the "wrong" helmet (e.g. a bike helmet) will be better than no helmet.
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hugepedro
Feb 8, 2008, 9:58 PM
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Leading trad - I wear it most of the time, especially if there are other people in the area or if I've never climbed the route/area before. Alpine, multi-pitch, ice, glaciers - always. Leading sport - almost never, unless I fear rockfall, in which case I would offer it to my belayer if they didn't have one. Toproping - almost never.
At one of our local crags I won't even top rope unless both of us have helmets, it's a bowling alley. Then there was the time at that crag when a Blackhawk helicopter landed on the mesa right above the route I was on, just 30 feet above my head, sending a thunderstorm of rocks and debris down on us. I was glad we were both wearing helmets then.
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