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Carnage
Apr 6, 2008, 9:11 PM
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http://rockexotica.com/pr_cb_biwire.html
from what i could find, possibly the best "locking" wiregate. i'd be interested to see how much of a pain in the ass they'd be to clip.
saw em in the rock and ice gear guide. i think that if a big company could get the patent or this company put some more in development, the weight could get down pretty low.
also, notice the high open gate, and closed gate. might be worth getting one when they hit the market
they say they wont completely replace lockers, but other than belay biner, they seem like they'd be good enough for sporting or tradding locking needs.
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Alpine07
Apr 6, 2008, 9:48 PM
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That looks like a pretty sweet biner. I might have to go pick one up once they are in stores. Thanks for bringing it up.
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shoo
Apr 6, 2008, 9:51 PM
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Hell no. This is one of the most pointless pieces of crap I've ever come across.
1. It's a heavy (68g) wiregate!?!? Yeah, maybe another manufacturer could bring down the weight, but really?
2. The fact that you have to be holding it open with your hand severely limits its usefulness.
3. Clipping anything into this one handed looks like pain.
4. They're expensive ($12.95). Seriously, why the hell would you buy this as anything but a novelty?
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shimanilami
Apr 6, 2008, 10:03 PM
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I can't wait to see one ...
... on someone else's rack.
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tradrenn
Apr 6, 2008, 11:58 PM
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I have to second shoo on this one.
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TerminalVelocity
Apr 7, 2008, 12:09 AM
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Yeah, this is probably the dumbest concept ever. How did it even make it past the drawing board?
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swaghole
Apr 7, 2008, 12:58 AM
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It came from the same people who designed this amazing ninja grappler hook. Now, if I could only find those knee pads with pointy hooks for icel climbing...
http://rockexotica.com/pr_m_grappler.html
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TerminalVelocity
Apr 7, 2008, 1:01 AM
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swaghole wrote: It came from the same people who designed this amazing ninja grappler hook. Now, if I could only find those knee pads with pointy hooks for icel climbing... http://rockexotica.com/pr_m_grappler.html [image]http://rockexotica.com/images/misc/pr_grappler.jpg[/image]
Well that explaines it, their cyborgs.
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ja1484
Apr 7, 2008, 1:51 AM
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Looks almost as cool as those new dual-clip carabiners that are coming out...
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TerminalVelocity
Apr 7, 2008, 2:27 AM
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ja1484 wrote: Look almost as cool as those new dual-clip carabiners that are coming out... [image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=2074;[/image]
Wow, that biner has to be very weak.
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Alpine07
Apr 7, 2008, 2:35 AM
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I think that it would be nice to have a locking biner that does not freeze shut. That is the downfall of solid gates in the alpine environment.
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TerminalVelocity
Apr 7, 2008, 2:46 AM
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Gotta do more soloing then.
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Alpine07
Apr 7, 2008, 2:50 AM
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ja1484 wrote: Look almost as cool as those new dual-clip carabiners that are coming out... [image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=2074;[/image]
The nice thing about those is when you are using twin ropes. clip one from each side and it goes much quicker. They also work great for baffling Noobs!
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TerminalVelocity
Apr 7, 2008, 3:15 AM
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Alpine07 wrote: ja1484 wrote: Look almost as cool as those new dual-clip carabiners that are coming out... [image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=2074;[/image] The nice thing about those is when you are using twin ropes. clip one from each side and it goes much quicker. They also work great for baffling Noobs!
I hope that's a joke because you're suppose to use a seperate biner for each rope.
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ja1484
Apr 7, 2008, 3:19 AM
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TerminalVelocity wrote: Alpine07 wrote: ja1484 wrote: Look almost as cool as those new dual-clip carabiners that are coming out... [image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=2074;[/image] The nice thing about those is when you are using twin ropes. clip one from each side and it goes much quicker. They also work great for baffling Noobs! I hope that's a joke because you're suppose to use a seperate biner for each rope.
Or a separate rope for each 'biner.
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skidawg
Apr 7, 2008, 3:36 AM
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I really don't understand how this could be stronger, substitute a locking biner, or be a lighter alternative! If you look at it without the outside gate, it's a normal wiregate with the same limitations. Factor in the outside gate and it's "supposed" to substitute a locking biner, but if the inside gate were to fail....the outside gate would just flip outwards...what's the point of that?
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Alpine07
Apr 7, 2008, 4:00 AM
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ja1484 wrote: TerminalVelocity wrote: Alpine07 wrote: ja1484 wrote: Look almost as cool as those new dual-clip carabiners that are coming out... [image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=2074;[/image] The nice thing about those is when you are using twin ropes. clip one from each side and it goes much quicker. They also work great for baffling Noobs! I hope that's a joke because you're suppose to use a seperate biner for each rope. Or a separate rope for each 'biner.
It was indeed a joke.
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shermanr6
Apr 7, 2008, 4:55 AM
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skidawg wrote: I really don't understand how this could be stronger, substitute a locking biner, or be a lighter alternative! If you look at it without the outside gate, it's a normal wiregate with the same limitations. Factor in the outside gate and it's "supposed" to substitute a locking biner, but if the inside gate were to fail....the outside gate would just flip outwards...what's the point of that?
What do you think happens when the gate on your regular locker fails?
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skidawg
Apr 7, 2008, 5:31 AM
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True, but at least that gate IS locked unlike the inside gate on this one. Just don't get the point of that outside gate is all.
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shermanr6
Apr 7, 2008, 5:37 AM
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to keep things from pressing open the inner gate, just like the locking gate on a locker.
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overlord
Apr 7, 2008, 11:00 AM
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well, this biner does prevent something from pressing the gate open... but imho it is pretty useless. a regular locker is much more easier to use than this thing (having to hold the gates open while clipping, yikes).
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hhelbein
Apr 7, 2008, 12:01 PM
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It may not freeze shut, but I can't see clipping this with a glove on being easy.
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no_email_entered
Apr 7, 2008, 1:31 PM
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unless thats a little girls hand this crazy thing is pretty freekin ginormous----
---run for your lives!
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fresh
Apr 7, 2008, 2:26 PM
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kinda funny that they forgot to make this lighter than the lightest lockers out there. otherwise this could be genius.
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