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patmay81
Sep 21, 2008, 2:22 AM
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heres the scenario:
I climed a couple of pitches, and when I got to the top found the hangers had quick links, slings, a biner and a rap ring. the quick links where more than enough for a rapel, and there was also a walk off (very short). i bootied the biner and ring, and cleaned off the slings. I rapped off and tried to pull my rope but it was stuck, so I went up to clean it from the top via the walk off. I couldn't get my rope out of the quick link (they were finger tight). so I just took the links off and kept them rather than scrambling back up to replace them. is this unlawfull booty?
(sorry for the length for just a stupid question)
-p
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kane_schutzman
Sep 21, 2008, 2:58 AM
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Most definately. You should have replaced the links at least. Maybe the ring and slings where extended because of that reason(getting your rope stuck) If you go back, its easy to reverse your abuse of the climbing society. JK, but seriously. Yea.
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superbum
Sep 21, 2008, 3:15 AM
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Yes. You just stole the whole TR/Lowering/Rappeling anchor from that route. Obviously the quicklinks WERE NOT adequete because your rope got stuck in them. Go replace the anchor. Better yet, buy two small lengths of chain and attatch them to the quicklinks you stole, then put them on the bolts. Even better, use a "mussy hook" setup. If the walk off is so "short" than it will be easy for you to return the community's property, and/or improve it.
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meahtots
Sep 21, 2008, 3:21 AM
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where was this at?
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Aceto
Sep 21, 2008, 3:44 AM
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patmay81 wrote: heres the scenario: I climed a couple of pitches, and when I got to the top found the hangers had quick links, slings, a biner and a rap ring. the quick links where more than enough for a rapel, and there was also a walk off (very short). i bootied the biner and ring, and cleaned off the slings. I rapped off and tried to pull my rope but it was stuck, so I went up to clean it from the top via the walk off. I couldn't get my rope out of the quick link (they were finger tight). so I just took the links off and kept them rather than scrambling back up to replace them. is this unlawfull booty? (sorry for the length for just a stupid question) -p
i always knew not to trust u
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Maddhatter
Sep 21, 2008, 3:49 AM
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Bad, bad Karma!!!!! You have to fix AT LEAST 2 other rap offs to make this right!!
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But really it feels good to make things better for other climbers. Try it you just might like it. Chain, links and rings are cheap.
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sungam
Sep 21, 2008, 11:51 AM
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*slowly shakes head* tut tut tut.
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taydude
Sep 21, 2008, 12:37 PM
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Wow a cam is one thing. You just booty'd like 5-10 dollars of stuff. Are you really that cheap? obviously someone thought that anchor was necessary. why not just leave it?
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brownie710
Sep 21, 2008, 1:05 PM
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WTF, you realized that just leaving the quicks didn't work so you then go back up to get your rope and take everything?? that is one of the lamest things i've read or heard about. to your defense i guess you already knew that otherwise you wouldn't have posted. replace the stuff
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rockrock513
Sep 21, 2008, 1:05 PM
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Damn... How did you even rationalize that to yourself?
I wonder how much "booty" you have on your rack from your partners...
You are either very new to climbing, very stupid, or a thief! I hope it's ONLY the first.
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sungam
Sep 21, 2008, 1:39 PM
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Pat, I'll um up what everyone is saying.
YOU ARE WHAT'S WRONG WITH ROCKCLIMBING!!!!!1111eleven1
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lofstromc
Sep 21, 2008, 1:50 PM
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Yes, it is unlawful booty.
You should replace it ASAP.
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0x2102
Sep 21, 2008, 1:58 PM
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For real dude, scavenging pieces of mank from a rap station isn't bootying gear. That stuff was left there ON PURPOSE. If you had actually improved the setup of the station it would be a different story. Go back and hook it up with some nicely painted chains and beefy quicklinks as suggested and your booty karma will improve to the point that on the next route you climb you will find a shiny new #2 Camalot.
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Aceto
Sep 21, 2008, 2:01 PM
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i have known patmay is trickery and deceit. u all teased me when i call him out and here is ur reward he is poisoned.
paymay, u prove my point u climb for the wrong reasons.
so s a d
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0x2102
Sep 21, 2008, 2:26 PM
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WHAT?!?!? Climbing for teh booty is wrong reasons?? All these years I have been wrong. I quit.
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jeepnphreak
Sep 21, 2008, 5:49 PM
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I am not sure is it actually illegal BUT I would deffently go back and rebulid the anchor so it better and wont snag the rope.
depending on who maintains the routes you can let them know about it.
In our area it is ONLY the climbers that build and maintain the routes, so if there is a problem than we fix it.
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anthonymason
Sep 21, 2008, 6:46 PM
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WTF, after spending serious cash on my routes to make them safe for others, I always wondered who would steal my Mallion Rapide quick links/web/rings.
PEOPLE like you wtf.
Considering the Mallion links are designed for rock climbin' and cost around 7 bucks each not to mention to the web/rap ring and of course the stainless bolts/hangers.
Shit I think when I put up another sport wanker route I will just go Home Depot to buy the hardware and save forty bucks, heck screw it, I should just use a star drivin' with a 1" non graded machine bolt, as for hangers heck I should weld up some homemade weld shuts non rated of course. and then use those cheap press links you would use for chain link fences, as for the webbing I could source some duct tape and piece of chain link for rappin' total cost ? 5 bucks and 3 beers to settle my conscious.
The biner' that was there was booty but the other stuff was not .
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billcoe_
Sep 22, 2008, 6:36 PM
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patmay81 wrote: heres the scenario: I climed a couple of pitches, and when I got to the top found the hangers had quick links, slings, a biner and a rap ring. the quick links where more than enough for a rapel, and there was also a walk off (very short). i bootied the biner and ring, and cleaned off the slings. I rapped off and tried to pull my rope but it was stuck, so I went up to clean it from the top via the walk off. I couldn't get my rope out of the quick link (they were finger tight). so I just took the links off and kept them rather than scrambling back up to replace them. is this unlawfull booty? (sorry for the length for just a stupid question) -p
There was a walk off and a rap station? Hmmmm. What route was this?
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granite_grrl
Sep 22, 2008, 7:08 PM
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So you stole a rap station and called it booty. You, sir, are a dipshit.
I actually hope I just got trolled and you're not really that stupid.
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flipnfall
Sep 22, 2008, 7:31 PM
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taydude wrote: Wow a cam is one thing. You just booty'd like 5-10 dollars of stuff. Are you really that cheap? obviously someone thought that anchor was necessary. why not just leave it?
WOW! I'm in complete agreement with everyone's comments here. If something was obviously set up as an anchor, leave it alone. Someone climbing after you may expect the gear to be there and you just put them in a dangerous situation. I'm really surprised that you'd do that but glad that you asked.
That being said, I know we all make mistakes and I really appreciate your honesty. I think it's admirable of you to seek the opinion of others on this board and it goes to prove that you weren't just trying to be a jerk otherwise you wouldn't be asking this question.
Thanks for being humble enough to ask.
GT
p.s.
A great way to make things right would be to go back to the climb and replace the bad webbing with new stuff and leave some decent biners in place to replace the old ones.
(This post was edited by flipnfall on Sep 22, 2008, 7:33 PM)
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wonderwoman
Sep 22, 2008, 7:32 PM
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Pat - what you did was wrong. You can only make up for it by bleaching the route... and maybe throwing some bolts on there while you're at it.
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