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psykosoulja
Jul 28, 2009, 7:54 PM
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Someone stole a bailed quickdraw on fetal arreangement!
can u guys give it back to me?
if u dont i pray kharma is on ur side....
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camhead
Jul 28, 2009, 7:58 PM
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dude.
At most places, an entire route with draws is a project, and stealing them is very bad form.
One draw, on the other hand, means that someone bailed, like you said you did. Bail gear is booty, mostly to teach people like you a lesson. Learn to judge the climbs you get on better, or carry a specific bail biner.
you're welcome.
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bill413
Jul 28, 2009, 11:00 PM
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psykosoulja wrote: Someone stole a bailed quickdraw on fetal arreangement! can u guys give it back to me? if u dont i pray kharma is on ur side....
Sorry, it wasn't me.
Well, actually, I'm not sorry it wasn't me. I mean, if it was me, maybe I'd be sorry. But not if it was left all alone by its lonesome, crying out for company. Then it would be my duty to give it some other company.
As said, a lone draw/biner means bail. A line means project. A single one left for a little while, you can come back & ask for it. If you leave & come back 6 hours later....hey - three parties have climbed it by then.
If you bail, you have to be willing to sacrifice gear. I have, and sometimes I've been able to get it back. Sometimes, someone else gets to keep it (ummm....maybe once). But - I've already made the decision to leave it. So not getting it back was already in the plan.
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a-e-jones
Jul 28, 2009, 11:41 PM
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psykosoulja wrote: Someone stole a bailed quickdraw on fetal arreangement! can u guys give it back to me? if u dont i pray kharma is on ur side....
wahh wahh wahh, sounds like someone got spanked on a route AT LEAST OFFER A SIX PACK OF BEER....
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jt512
Jul 29, 2009, 12:53 AM
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psykosoulja wrote: Someone stole a bailed quickdraw on fetal arreangement! can u guys give it back to me? if u dont i pray kharma is on ur side....
T(-10)
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Myxomatosis
Jul 29, 2009, 2:55 AM
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http://www.rockclimbing.com/routes/North_America/United_States/California/Riverside_County/Riverside_Rock_Quarry/Slab_City/Fetal_Rearrangement_68891.html
"Easiest Climb at the quarry"
If you had to bail off that then perhaps you were a little out of your league to begin with.
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Hennessey
Jul 29, 2009, 3:27 AM
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Theft - No
Booty - Yes
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bennydh
Jul 29, 2009, 4:18 AM
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jt512 wrote: psykosoulja wrote: Someone stole a bailed quickdraw on fetal arreangement! can u guys give it back to me? if u dont i pray kharma is on ur side.... T(-10)
Agreed
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psykosoulja
Aug 3, 2009, 9:36 PM
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wow guys. so i guess its ok to steal shiet so i guess i'll just hammer the fuck out of the anchor rings and hangers. i don't think anybody should enjoy that route than. cuz i guess people here aren't fucken nice enough to enjoy this route.
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btg
Aug 3, 2009, 9:44 PM
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No one stole a thing. You left a draw. Someone found a draw. As others have said you may ask nicely for it back, perhaps offering some incentives. If asked nicely it would likely be returned. But if not, your price for getting in over your head.
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bill413
Aug 3, 2009, 11:12 PM
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psykosoulja wrote: wow guys. so i guess its ok to steal shiet so i guess i'll just hammer the fuck out of the anchor rings and hangers. i don't think anybody should enjoy that route than. cuz i guess people here aren't fucken nice enough to enjoy this route.
What btg said.
You walk along the cliff. You see a pack. Taking that is stealing.
You walk along the cliff. You see a biner on the ground next to the pack. Taking that is stealing.
You walk along the cliff. You see a biner on the ground. There is nothing else and no climbers nearby. Taking that is reasonable.
You climb up a climb. You come across one abandoned biner/draw. No climbers are around. It's been abandoned.
You come to a climb. There are 45 draws on it. It's reasonable to assume it's a project & should respect that they are not yours.
You come to a climb. You smash the hardware. That is wanton vandalism, leading to destruction of the rock, endangerment of climbers, endangerment of climbing access, and we will attempt to stop you with every legal sanction we can use.
I hope this helps clarify some of the distinctions.
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sgreer
Aug 3, 2009, 11:20 PM
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Why did you use a draw to bail? Now ur out two biners.
You learned a lesson the hard way unfortunately.
Booty yes theft no.
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jt512
Aug 3, 2009, 11:43 PM
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bill413 wrote: You come to a climb. There are 45 draws on it. It's reasonable to assume it's a project & should respect that they are not yours.
What if I just steal the project?
Jay
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codhands
Aug 3, 2009, 11:56 PM
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psykosoulja wrote: wow guys. so i guess its ok to steal shiet so i guess i'll just hammer the fuck out of the anchor rings and hangers. i don't think anybody should enjoy that route than. cuz i guess people here aren't fucken nice enough to enjoy this route.
Yeah.... Good Idea.
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rocknice2
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psykosoulja wrote: wow guys. so i guess its ok to steal shiet so i guess i'll just hammer the fuck out of the anchor rings and hangers. i don't think anybody should enjoy that route than. cuz i guess people here aren't fucken nice enough to enjoy this route.
Don't leave your hammer behind when your done.
It might get stolen.
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bill413
Aug 4, 2009, 12:19 AM
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jt512 wrote: bill413 wrote: You come to a climb. There are 45 draws on it. It's reasonable to assume it's a project & should respect that they are not yours. What if I just steal the project? Jay
Well, ummm...I guess...as long as you leave the draws. And a taunting note. (Preferably hanging from a draw at or immediately after the crux.)
(This post was edited by bill413 on Aug 4, 2009, 12:19 AM)
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sween345
Aug 4, 2009, 2:01 AM
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So. You can get to the top of the cliff to spite everyone who doesn't recover your abandoned gear, but you couldn't get up there to rap down and recover it yourself?
You'll need to learn a little more self reliance before you move out of your parent's house, especially if you plan to continue climbing.
8 bolts in 50 feet sounds like you could stand on each bolt and clip the next, making it a true bolt ladder. (Is that route description accurate?)
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bennydh
Aug 4, 2009, 2:10 AM
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Why are any of us posting here? Isn't this a lame fat troll?
If it isn't.... None of us have to worry about this fucktard smashing anything if he is bailing off a 5.8, there is no way he is reaching the anchors on shit, let alone carrying a hammer all the way up to do it.
Who ever took the draw. Please post and let us know where this wanker bailed. I'm guessing it was in your way at bolt #1.
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malcolm777b
Aug 4, 2009, 2:14 AM
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psykosoulja wrote: wow guys. so i guess its ok to steal shiet so i guess i'll just hammer the fuck out of the anchor rings and hangers. i don't think anybody should enjoy that route than. cuz i guess people here aren't fucken nice enough to enjoy this route.
Wow. That's a very mature answer you have there. I see you are looking for partners in your profile. I wish you luck with that one, because something tells me you might have a hard time with it.
Now let's here about the epic you had. You did epic didn't you? Otherwise, why couldn't you finish a 5.8 and need to bail? Or were you scared? One major piece of advice....if you get caught hammering bolt hangers and get caught by the locals, I bet your little 5.8 is going to look mighty tame in comparison to the treatment that you should get....
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austinnokc
Aug 4, 2009, 12:40 PM
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I think that the only advisable "hammering" would be done on a route that has 1/4" bolts and rusted out homemade bolt hangers. Could possibly save a noobs life with that one. Just hope that you weren't climbing it.
Austin
P.S. Then you would be responsible for rebolting it.
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rockandlice
Aug 5, 2009, 5:06 PM
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psykosoulja wrote: wow guys. so i guess its ok to steal shiet so i guess i'll just hammer the fuck out of the anchor rings and hangers. i don't think anybody should enjoy that route than. cuz i guess people here aren't fucken nice enough to enjoy this route.
You should probably STFU and find another sport. Climbing is clearly not for you.
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amigosandiego
Aug 5, 2009, 5:23 PM
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psykosoulja wrote: wow guys. so i guess its ok to steal shiet so i guess i'll just hammer the fuck out of the anchor rings and hangers. i don't think anybody should enjoy that route than. cuz i guess people here aren't fucken nice enough to enjoy this route.
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gregory_huey
Oct 18, 2009, 6:54 AM
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Hello,
> Someone stole a bailed quickdraw on fetal arreangement!
Bail gear is _abandoned_ (ie: can not finish the route, you bail, you leave, by definition you are not (able) to come back and get it immediately). I think most people will agree with me that taking _abandoned gear_ is not stealing. Lots of draws on a route is a project - those draws are not _abandoned_, thus one should not take them. Someone taking your draw was not stealing - it was rescuing _abandoned_ gear. Now, if you want it back, you can complain and call the person a thief and demand the_abandoned_ draw be returned _or_ you can thank them for recovering the _abandoned_ draw and ask nicely for it back. Think about it for a moment and tell me which might meet with more success.
> ...so i guess i'll just hammer the fuck out of the anchor rings and hangers...
Atleast the hangars you can get to...
A very bad idea. This is the sort of thing that gets one 'visited' by several burly climbers, and wishing a draw was all they lost...
> > Don't leave your hammer behind when your done.
>> It might get stolen.
(falls out of chair laughing)
How about a deal like the traveling stolen Gnome? Leave the draw on the last bolt of a route and post a pic, and then let it travel from climb to climb, the draw seeing epic ascents. Yes, even climbers posing at cruxes with the _abandoned_ draw...
Later,
Greg
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chossmonkey
Oct 18, 2009, 12:18 PM
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jt512 wrote: bill413 wrote: You come to a climb. There are 45 draws on it. It's reasonable to assume it's a project & should respect that they are not yours. What if I just steal the project? Jay
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