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REAL
Mar 4, 2010, 5:26 AM
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PLEASE NOTE: This is NOT asking about the butterfly coil being used AS a backpack, that's been asked 1,318 times here already. We know. 
I'm asking about when you're hiking, camping or just trekking to the climb, do you coil it around you, butterfly it over top of your pack, stuff it in, lash it to the outside, bungee it on or what?
Any preferences and why, please?
(shoulder surgery in 2 weeks so of course, when else am I going to add new gear and play with it the most, right?!?!)
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bill413
Mar 4, 2010, 5:37 AM
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REAL wrote: PLEASE NOTE: This is NOT asking about the butterfly coil being used AS a backpack, that's been asked 1,318 times here already. We know. I'm asking about when you're hiking, camping or just trekking to the climb, do you coil it around you, butterfly it over top of your pack, stuff it in, lash it to the outside, bungee it on or what? Any preferences and why, please? (shoulder surgery in 2 weeks so of course, when else am I going to add new gear and play with it the most, right?!?!)
I tend to like the "backpack" style...unless...if I'm going to need to carry more than one rope, I prefer a coil carried over a shoulder.
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jbrown2
Mar 4, 2010, 6:04 AM
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I go for the easiest answer is the best. I put my rope IN SIDE my back pack.
Short of that i try and make it one solid mass by coialing it and wraping it hard. I then either rest it ontop of the "brain," under the brain but over the main compartment or if you have a backpack that was ment to carry snowbords you can attach it verticly on the back.
Best bet though get it inside so you dont look like a . . . hold for it, hold for it. . . nOOb
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REAL
Mar 4, 2010, 6:08 AM
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jbrown2 wrote: . . . hold for it, hold for it. . . nOOb
LMFAO
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suprasoup
Mar 4, 2010, 6:21 AM
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I usually just stuff my rope, harness, rack and draws into my bittersweet crash pad. But hey that's how I roll
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irregularpanda
Mar 4, 2010, 6:27 AM
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jbrown2 wrote: I go for the easiest answer is the best. I put my rope IN SIDE my back pack.
This is the easiest answer for several reasons. Even though My pack (Bergens 50L guide....awesome) can handle the rope under the lid of the pack, strapped tightly via a strap, it's still the worst option.
If I put the rope in my pack, it takes up vital room for essentials, like a beanie, beer, churchkey, cheese, and more beer. If I put the rope inside the pack, other people are required to carry my optional things, like my harness, shoes, device, rack, etc.
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jbrown2
Mar 4, 2010, 7:13 AM
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LMFAO
Well i'll admit it. I had to look up what that meant. Thanks. Knowing is half the battle.
Oh and your a college student, get the boxed wine. it travels easier after it is taken out of the box and is just a bag. And you can fill it with water when you are all done so you dont need one of those pesky water bottles that take up so much space.
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tomcat
Mar 4, 2010, 12:24 PM
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I bought a pack large enough to put the rope inside,with all the other stuff.Nothing like heading out ice climbing when it's snowing and getting to the base of the route with the rope already soaked.
Likewise zipping through the desert at Red Rocks with the rope getting snagged on bushes constantly.
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abe_ascends
Mar 4, 2010, 12:33 PM
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If I'm using my larger pack, rope goes in bag, bag goes in pack.
If I'm using my smaller day pack, I do a modified butterfly coil over the top, under the lid.
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granite_grrl
Mar 4, 2010, 2:49 PM
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Rope bag and into the pack. Easiest, cleanest system out there IMO.
I'll only do a butterfly coil back pack if I've topped out on a climb and I need to downclimb or walk to the rap station.
(This post was edited by granite_grrl on Mar 4, 2010, 2:50 PM)
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granite_grrl wrote: Rope bag and into the pack. Easiest, cleanest system out there IMO. I'll only do a butterfly coil back pack if I've topped out on a climb and I need to downclimb or walk to the rap station.
yep.
Rope inside rope bag here, and then either held under the top flap of my pack, or carried over the shoulder as it's own pack, depending on the situation.
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kachoong
Mar 4, 2010, 3:24 PM
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Inside rope bag.
<10.472min approach; slung over shoulder.
>10.472min approach; inside pack.
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soNVclimbing
Mar 4, 2010, 3:49 PM
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Inside pack at the bottom in sleeping bag compartment. main compartment climbing gear. Side compartments: water, food, headlight, personals.
short trips you know
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Mar 4, 2010, 3:54 PM
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It depends on what I am doing... If I'm craging and have my rope tarp I put it on the bottom of my bag. If I'm ice craging I don't bring a tarp so it depends on how much gear and clothing I bring. If there's room then it goes in my pack but if not then it goes over the top. If I'm doing any multi pitch stuff I usually put it in my bag
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fxgranite
Mar 4, 2010, 3:56 PM
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kachoong wrote: Inside rope bag. <10.472min approach; slung over shoulder. >10.472min approach; inside pack.
What happens if the approach takes 10.450min but then you trip on the way in and it ends up taking 10.474min?
For me, the rope usually just goes on top of the pack under the brain using the regular butteryfly coil. If the approach is thick I'll rearrange stuff so that it can go inside the pack.
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shockabuku
Mar 4, 2010, 4:08 PM
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Under the cap of my pack, either coiled or in a rope bag.
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meanandugly
Mar 4, 2010, 4:10 PM
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In a rope bag between the brain and pack...most times.
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kachoong
Mar 4, 2010, 4:12 PM
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fxgranite wrote: kachoong wrote: Inside rope bag. <10.472min approach; slung over shoulder. >10.472min approach; inside pack. What happens if the approach takes 10.450min but then you trip on the way in and it ends up taking 10.474min?
In those cases I usually curse loudly and wish I had a brain.
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markc
Mar 4, 2010, 4:31 PM
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shockabuku wrote: Under the cap of my pack, either coiled or in a rope bag.
Yep. That's how I pack it up when I'm heading out the door. I've noticed if someone volunteers to carry it, it's easy to pass off before they reconsider.
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Mar 4, 2010, 5:20 PM
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Depends, the only accurate way to respond to this question.
If a killer 12 mile approach with 1800 feet of elevation to be gained, I try to keep the rack and goodies to a minimum, so the pack gets sized to fit it all inside.
If cragging or installing routes with the 30 minute approach, we take the kitchen sink. The rope is the last thing inside, or not. I mostly just lay it over the top of the pack and lash it with the side compression straps, and when this is the case, the helmet is usually out there as well. HOWEVER-
When cragging at a destination area, and I do not wish to spend forever being polite to every one I pass at days end, always stash all gear inside pack, look down when passing tourons, and never, I mean never make eye contact. At places like Devils Tower it can add a couple hours to your day on a nice afternoon. "You" may wish to stop and chat, and use it for your amusement, but the real climbers will mutter Noob after they pass, all the while looking at their feet.
Bob
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Mar 4, 2010, 5:21 PM
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REAL wrote: PLEASE NOTE: This is NOT asking about the butterfly coil being used AS a backpack, that's been asked 1,318 times here already. We know. I'm asking about when you're hiking, camping or just trekking to the climb, do you coil it around you, butterfly it over top of your pack, stuff it in, lash it to the outside, bungee it on or what? Any preferences and why, please? (shoulder surgery in 2 weeks so of course, when else am I going to add new gear and play with it the most, right?!?!)
It really depends on the pack and if there's room in it.
I can't fit my rack, helmet, lunch, water, and doubles into my cragging pack, so the ropes get attached on top. It's a roll-top so there's no expansion, but it does have lash points that work well.
If someone else carries the rack, I have to put the ropes in the pack, as they don't sit well on top if the pack's not full.
For ice and more remote climbs, I'll use a bigger pack and put the rope inside, to protect it on the way in.
I think just about every pack I have has lash points or rope keeper under the lid if I want to lash the rope outside. It's annoying to try to attach a rope to the outside of a pack that doesn't have lash points... if someone shows up with one of those packs, it's not worth trying to rig something, make them carry the rack.
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Mar 4, 2010, 5:54 PM
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soNVclimbing wrote: Inside pack at the bottom in sleeping bag compartment. main compartment climbing gear. Side compartments: water, food, headlight, personals. short trips you know
Even with a full desert splitter rack, I've never needed a pack big enough to have a sleeping bag compartment.
And that's with ten essentials, first aid kit, water, food, lamp, and jacket. Am I doing it wrong?
To answer the question, in the pack unless the extra clothing (only for ice climbing) forces me to do otherwise.
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Mar 4, 2010, 7:45 PM
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irregularpanda wrote: jbrown2 wrote: I go for the easiest answer is the best. I put my rope IN SIDE my back pack. This is the easiest answer for several reasons. Even though My pack (Bergens 50L guide....awesome) can handle the rope under the lid of the pack, strapped tightly via a strap, it's still the worst option. If I put the rope in my pack, it takes up vital room for essentials, like a beanie, beer, churchkey, cheese, and more beer. If I put the rope inside the pack, other people are required to carry my optional things, like my harness, shoes, device, rack, etc.
Ya know if you left that beanie at home, you could fit in one more beer
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Mar 4, 2010, 7:56 PM
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There must be 50 ways to lash your rope
You hitch on the back, Jack
Do the bottom stash, Crash
No need to Coil, Royal
Just get the rope packed
Don't be a pus Gus
Knot need to discuss much
Just drop under lid, Kid
And pack your rope, sheesh!
DMT
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Mar 4, 2010, 7:58 PM
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dingus wrote: There must be 50 ways to lash your rope You hitch on the back, Jack Do the bottom stash, Crash No need to Coil, Royal Just get the rope packed Don't be a pus Gus Knot need to discuss much Just drop under lid, Kid And pack your rope, sheesh! DMT
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