This has been buging the shit out of me. Yesterday i was at a gym, i went on a f6a+ and 3/4 way through the climb i got completely stuck, i was hanging on for a good 30 seconds looking around trying to figure out what i was suppose to be doing.. i then droped off and had my belayer keep me their so i could try and work out the move.

After a brief rest i tried the move again but got owend once more. Another rest tried it again a difrent way and got owend again. I called it their becouse i didnt wanne be too selfish and gave my partner a turn.

I figured i was just tired or in a rough spot.. so i just forgot about it and then went onto the next climb. Got on a f7a and got to the top with energy to spare.

After that i went on a f6b and again i got to a point that i just could not pass.. after quite a few attempts at the move i could not do it and again gave up..

Then once more i went to a difrent 7a and got 2 moves off the top (was quite tired by then though, felt confident to do it fresh).

So i just cant figure out what the problem is here? the first one really had me scratching my head, cant understand how it owend me so bad, yet almost a full grade above i done with alot less effort.

Really cant see the route setters making such a big grading error? so i assume ive stumbled across a big weakness in my climbing?..

anybody had such an issue like this?

some are weight-dependent

really??

I was suppose to smear bridge across to the next wall slightly overhanging, i allways assosiate that with cheating unless their is a purpesly placed mantle/foot hold etc, it never crossed my mind that the route was intentionally set like that, assumed i was either doing it badly wrong, or that a hold was missing.

So yeah, it was entirely my own fault -10 points for shit awareness.

Does anybody else see climbing like that as ''cheating''? maybe i need to chang emy attitude on it.. and get up the wall any way possible.

I was suppose to smear bridge across to the next wall slightly overhanging, i allways assosiate that with cheating unless their is a purpesly placed mantle/foot hold etc, it never crossed my mind that the route was intentionally set like that, assumed i was either doing it badly wrong, or that a hold was missing.

So yeah, it was entirely my own fault -10 points for shit awareness.

Does anybody else see climbing like that as ''cheating''? maybe i need to chang emy attitude on it.. and get up the wall any way possible.

Totally depends on how the route was set, and what is the "normal expectations" at the gym. Some places/routes, any features are on. Some places/routes, certain features or walls are off.

I was suppose to smear bridge across to the next wall slightly overhanging, i allways assosiate that with cheating unless their is a purpesly placed mantle/foot hold etc, it never crossed my mind that the route was intentionally set like that, assumed i was either doing it badly wrong, or that a hold was missing.

So yeah, it was entirely my own fault -10 points for shit awareness.

Does anybody else see climbing like that as ''cheating''? maybe i need to chang emy attitude on it.. and get up the wall any way possible.

I never asked at any point to walk me through the route, none of you could.. i only asked if anybody had an issue where they couldnt climb a route they would normally complete.

And keep having a go at people who cant spell, makes you look even more awesome..

Atleast im smart enuf to see the irony in your troll story.. even though i couldnt resist the temptation to reply to it and make it valid.

This is exactly why posting the question here on rc.com is so, um, how do I put this kindly, "unique" a solution to your problem.

The correct solution is to talk to the guy at the front desk and say - hey, have you done the blue 6a over there? Yeah? Well how did you get past the fourth bolt? You stemmed? Oh, I didn't think of that! What's that, the tag at the bottom says "all features on"? Gee, do I feel stupid now.

No, you'd rather appear stupid to thousands of people on an international climbing forum than to one guy in the gym?

Okay, that was harsh. But it's Monday, and I'm in a grumpy mood about having to be at work.

I just can't fathom why you'd post your question here where we can't even see the route in question.

Sorry,

GO

You know there is a spelling check function on this very forum right? That way we can ridicule you for the content of your post instead of your spelling if that makes you feel better.

...or just use a browser like Firefox that spell checks everything automatically.

Well ty for the more constructive replys.

Try not to divert that into the constructive learn to spell posts yeah?.

Clarification for particularly dense readers: taken in the context of the entire phrase, this was meant to explain that some climbs can feel subjectively easier or harder depending on the climbers' body type.


"Weight-dependent" is not a term I came up with, but for some reason every time I climb a crimpy route that some hulk "bro" dude can't climb, I hear that the climb is "weight-dependent". Since it comes from a "bro", it usually comes out very loud, too...

I haven't gone through the trouble of finding how to change the spell check language from Dutch to English. Google Chrome ftw btw

climbing is harder for fat people, don't know what that has to do with grading tho

This has absolutely nothing to do with this thread, and I have obviously stepped on your bunions at some earlier point, for which I apologize...

But since you insist on nit-picking, do you mean that heavy people don't have an opinion on route grades and cannot grade routes? Could you please specify at which BMI point someone is not entitled to having an opinion?

Or do you insist that you cannot possibly conceive of a situation in which person A, weighing 100 pounds (and having proportionally smaller fingers, etc.), calls route 1 harder than route 2, while person B, weighting 200 pounds, calls route 2 harder than route 1?

Remember all those nice folks on rockclimbing.com who are reading your post. They're not climbing -- they are sitting in front of a computer, reading your post!