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tradpuppy
Dec 18, 2002, 6:20 PM
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I wanted to keep this off the partners thread, but just as a polite reminder, please don't think that just because Sandrock looks like hell, this is an acceptable practice in the Southeast.
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cloudbreak
Dec 18, 2002, 6:30 PM
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I don't think it's acceptable anywhere!
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mountainspiritoftwall
Dec 18, 2002, 6:37 PM
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OK, to get right to the point, someone has defaced Twall. Many people visit Twall but few have the lack of common sense needed to do what this person has done.
Your Grafitti is not appreciated by the people who work hard to make Twall accessable and keep it as natural as possible. It is far less than appreciated by the mountain spirit.
Your Karma is going for a long rough ride down a steep slab.
I suggest you visit the site seclimbers.org and any other climbing sites and get on your knees and beg forgiveness.
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tradpuppy
Dec 18, 2002, 6:44 PM
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Thank you, oh great spirit of T-wall!!!
Mike and I saw some graffiti on Steggo at Lost Wall back at Thanksgiving and this latest addition has made me realize there are some "new elements" in the climbing population who need to be set straight.
Cloudbreak, you are correct, of course, but we want to make sure that people don't say "oh, these rednecks won't care!"
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jen_c
Dec 18, 2002, 7:04 PM
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Has Steggo been cleaned up yet?
If not, I'm tempted to make a special trip up there to take care of it. Lost Wall is one of my favorite places to climb and I was very disheartened to see that mess.
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tradpuppy
Dec 18, 2002, 7:17 PM
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Jen, I'm not sure. I'm not even sure what material was used to make the graffiti. BUT, whether charcoal or some other medium, this practice is still ugly and lasts long enough for newer climbers too see it and think it's A-OK to do this. Look at what has happened at Sandrock. People see all the crappy cold shuts and retro bolts and think this is common and acceptable. every time I say anything at all at Sandrock about the condition of a line I get this "well, you can just skip the bolts!!" from someone who has been climbing all of 1 year. Say something about graffiti and you'll get this: "oh ,it's too late to do anything about this place. It's the sacrificial lamb of the S.E.!!"
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palisades_rockjock
Dec 18, 2002, 7:18 PM
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I don't think sandrock has been defaced by climbers, but by the locals that party there at night. Don't be so quick to put the blame on the climbers. I climb at sandrock almost every weekend, and I have never left one ounce of trash there.
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stevematthys
Dec 18, 2002, 7:18 PM
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you do realize its probably local punks that are tagging the rocks, not climbers...
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furryfrisbee
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I was also very disheartened to see that on Steggo. It happened either late Friday (since we had a rope on Steggo all day), or the Saturday of our gathering. It looked like someone's initials, but we couldn't quite make them out. It was definately the low point of my weekend up there.
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jen_c
Dec 18, 2002, 7:27 PM
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I think it must have happened sometime that Sat because I don't remember seeing it that morning when we headed in to Classical Gas and it was there when we left.
Another area that could use some work is Curahee though it is not nearly as bad as Sandrock.
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tradpuppy
Dec 18, 2002, 7:28 PM
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We saw the group who most likely did the Graffiti on steggo. They were, um, "climbers".
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jen_c
Dec 18, 2002, 7:32 PM
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Steggo was definitely done by a climber or rappeller - it was too far down from the top to have gotten there otherwise.
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rocknpowda
Dec 18, 2002, 7:50 PM
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maybe it was somone who wanted you to take your rope down.
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tradpuppy
Dec 18, 2002, 7:52 PM
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It was already down. It's also an area of the cliff where it's pretty much accepted that people are going to "park" ropes, so I doubt that.
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ridgerunner
Dec 18, 2002, 7:53 PM
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Sandrock has been trashed by climbers (or should I say A climber) Just look at all that scrapmetal on the cliffs. There is no difference between that junk and paint.
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tradpuppy
Dec 18, 2002, 7:58 PM
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Well, I'll be, if it isn't that old N.C. mountain man, the ridgerunner!
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ridgerunner
Dec 18, 2002, 8:15 PM
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How did you ever guess?
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mountainspiritoftwall
Dec 19, 2002, 1:24 AM
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Ahem well, the guy who took the picture says on his site that he did not do the graffiti, and that the picture is from Sand Rock.
That still leaves some fools running around messing up things though. Sic'em! But get the right ones LOL.
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andy_lemon
Dec 20, 2002, 4:01 PM
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I'm still stunded by the spirt of T-wall???
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uncle_big_green
Dec 20, 2002, 4:16 PM
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I also posted something similar to this on the SCC message board.
What about you people who get your fairy dust all over the rock and don't clean it(especially on routes that stay dry)? You're littering/causing an eyesore, too (albeit less permanent than spray paint). It may not offend you, but remember that the spray paint at Sand Rock doesn't offend the redneck "artist", either.
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andy_lemon
Dec 20, 2002, 4:23 PM
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You can't compare chalk to spray paint..
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wv5ten
Dec 20, 2002, 4:35 PM
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grrrrrrr :| i hate graffiti, of any kind, not just on natty features, but buildings as well.
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uncle_big_green
Dec 20, 2002, 4:59 PM
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Yes, I can and did. Both are markings on the rock caused by people. As I mentioned, one is more permanent than the other. Additionally, I find both to be offensive and so do other people. I'll say it again - all you fairy dust users should try to clean up after yourselves.
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ridgerunner
Dec 20, 2002, 5:35 PM
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A few years back there were a couple of ametuer geologists up at Rocktown. They were trying to figure out what the white deposits were. They seemed upset when they found out!
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jen_c
Feb 3, 2003, 2:14 PM
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I was up at Lost Wall this weekend and I'm happy to report that all traces of the graffiti on Steggo are gone!!!
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