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Gmburns2000
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carabiner96 wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: justroberto wrote: Can we make this sticky? Every Monday people can come in and report on what happened the previous weekend. Then there can be another sticky for "Gunks Asshole This Weekend." There is a sticky and it's called the Accidents and Analysis Forum. There is nothing about the climbing at the 'Gunks that is any more dangerous than at any other popular crag, just like there isn't anything specific to the grigri that makes climbing with one dangerous: it's the people, and each person makes a mistake that deserves independent analysis. Even if some accidents sound the same, they deserve separate threads so that we don't gloss over what not only did happen but what can continue to happen if it has happened before. I haven't yet seen an accident reported at the 'Gunks that couldn't happen at most other major crags. With regards to frequency, while I don't keep stats, I have seen a fair amount of accident threads out of the Red, New, Seneca, and Eldo, too. I assume the reason for this is proximity to population centers. So you agree the area deserves an 'Assholes of the Gunks' sticky? so long as I can be the star. Aww, you'll always be my asshole! Seriously, though, I can see a sticky "This weekend's asshole award goes to..." Doesn't have to be limited to the Gunks, and would be a favorite Monday morning read. Even better when both parties happen to be rc.commers...DRAMZ!
I admit that there does seem to be a market gap for this kind of fodder on this site. It would be amazing if it lasted more than two pages before being banished to the campground, though.
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billcoe_
Oct 5, 2010, 1:55 PM
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It would be damn entertaining.
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sethg
Oct 5, 2010, 1:55 PM
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Count me as a Gunkie who is not offended. I thought the original post was funny. It would have been in better taste if it had just been about the "asshole" threads and not about the accidents. But I understood the OP to be talking about the frequency of accident and asshole threads and not making fun of any particular tragedy at the Gunks.
Last year's Accidents in North American Mountaineering actually made a point of remarking on how very few fatal accidents have occurred at the Gunks over its entire history. So on that level you could say the Gunks is an uncommonly safe area. On the other hand, we all know what a freakshow the place can be on peak weekends, and plenty of people are lucky to avoid more serious injuries from their very basic mistakes. There's no reason to be defensive about it.
I do think this general profile I've sketched of the Gunks (few fatalities, many basic errors) would apply to many other crowded crags as well. It certainly seems to apply to Eldo, to name one example. There are numerous high-end dangerous routes there but all the accidents (many fatal) seem to occur on the moderate trade routes.
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justroberto
Oct 5, 2010, 2:06 PM
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blueeyedclimber wrote: Very poor taste. blueeyedclimber wrote: God forbid that anyone you are close to are {sic} ever involved in an accident. blueeyedclimber wrote: If you think shit can't happen to you then you are living in ignorance.
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stevebontes
Oct 5, 2010, 2:16 PM
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well i have one more thing to say about chalk,,,
just kidding,,,
if you guys payed as much attention to giving new guys advice or at least looking to give advice instead of giving them shit,
as you give the attention to accidents,,,
mabey there would be less accidents to read about
,we can all learn from others mistakes.
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darkgift06
Oct 5, 2010, 4:18 PM
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I agree we need a Gunks sticky, But it should be in the regional discussion area, or the US East coast area.. & not every post under Trip reports weekend warrior should be from the Gunks..
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carabiner96
Oct 5, 2010, 4:21 PM
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blueeyedclimber wrote: carabiner96 wrote: The only folks who are all butthurt are Gunksies. Hmm. I would say that I have more investment because it's the Gunks, but I have made other claims out the jackassery of people towards victims in other areas. BTW, Rumney sucks!  Josh
You think I was getting at something else? Hehe! Can't complain, I always have a good time at Rumney, but I think it's more because I always climb with good peeps.
I get my rock boners over in the Daks.
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Gmburns2000
Oct 5, 2010, 4:29 PM
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darkgift06 wrote: I agree we need a Gunks sticky, But it should be in the regional discussion area, or the US East coast area.. & not every post under Trip reports weekend warrior should be from the Gunks..
that's just the way it turned out. TRs from other regions not only get occassionally posted there, but are more than welcomed, too.
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blueeyedclimber
Oct 5, 2010, 4:29 PM
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justroberto wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: Very poor taste. Possibly - about half the people here seem to think so. blueeyedclimber wrote: God forbid that anyone you are close to are {sic} ever involved in an accident. What makes you think no one I know has been? blueeyedclimber wrote: If you think shit can't happen to you then you are living in ignorance. Quite true, and it's exactly this ignorance that seems to be contributing to a lot of accidents 'round those parts. But you seem to be implying that I hold that viewpoint, which I can assure you isn't the case.
Very well then. If I have missed the boat then I am fully prepared to jump off the dock.
I don't deny that the Gunks gets it's fair share of accidents (a lot more than I would like). But with the sheer amount of people we are talking about here, you just can't compare it to most areas. People that don't frequent it don't understand. A lot of people don't go there for that very reason. I happen to LOVE the climbing so I am willing to put up with it.
As far as the other threads you are referencing (i.e. "this jerk did this now agree with me and sooth my whinyness), I agree wholeheartedly).
Josh
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jsh
Oct 5, 2010, 5:12 PM
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theguy wrote: wonderwoman wrote: drama queens who like to kick a climber when he's down. Show some class. Or have you, as others may have, assumed that the "asshole" thread would be about the same person as the "accidents" thread?
It should be obvious that a family member, or just some climber who isn't acclimated to the usual pecking order of "butt hurting" drama around here, -might- read the title of this thread and click it, looking for info about the recent accident.
And yes, the OP could easily be read by that person and seem aimed at this weekend's accident, and calling him an asshole - as kicking that particular climber after he'd taken the 100-ft ride.
For that reason, you or a moderator should strongly consider revising the title, so it is not clicked by the unwary from the front page.
(This post was edited by jsh on Oct 5, 2010, 5:14 PM)
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welle
Oct 5, 2010, 5:24 PM
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stevebontes wrote: well i have one more thing to say about chalk,,, just kidding,,,
I'd like to add one more thread about marking the middle of the rope ;)
Add me to the list of the Gunkies who didn't find the OP offensive. The thing with the Gunks is it has more weekend warrior type of climbers (myself included) that all they do is dick around interwebs on weekdays, so more stuff gets posted/reported. Other places people are either busy climbing or actually working.
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sknowlton
Oct 5, 2010, 5:31 PM
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A little bit of context:
http://www.mountainproject.com/v/general_climbing/climbing_attitudes/106911417
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Oct 5, 2010, 5:33 PM
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curt wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Seriously, though, I can see a sticky "This weekend's asshole award goes to..." Well, there's obviously going to be intense competition. I want to be one of the judges.  Curt
If you think you have a good idea, chances are someone else has thought of it first.
I believe the redriveclimbing "ongoing weekend idiot report" thread is well into over 20 pages... and that's JUST RRG.
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Oct 5, 2010, 5:48 PM
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curt wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Seriously, though, I can see a sticky "This weekend's asshole award goes to..." Well, there's obviously going to be intense competition. I want to be one of the judges. Curt
I want to sit in the audience with a giant bucket of popcorn and watch the magic happen
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justroberto
Oct 5, 2010, 5:53 PM
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jsh wrote: theguy wrote: wonderwoman wrote: drama queens who like to kick a climber when he's down. Show some class. Or have you, as others may have, assumed that the "asshole" thread would be about the same person as the "accidents" thread? It should be obvious that a family member, or just some climber who isn't acclimated to the usual pecking order of "butt hurting" drama around here, -might- read the title of this thread and click it, looking for info about the recent accident. And yes, the OP could easily be read by that person and seem aimed at this weekend's accident, and calling him an asshole - as kicking that particular climber after he'd taken the 100-ft ride. For that reason, you or a moderator should strongly consider revising the title, so it is not clicked by the unwary from the front page.
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caughtinside
Oct 5, 2010, 5:56 PM
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heh. I thought it was funny.
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iron106
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lena_chita wrote: curt wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Seriously, though, I can see a sticky "This weekend's asshole award goes to..." Well, there's obviously going to be intense competition. I want to be one of the judges. Curt If you think you have a good idea, chances are someone else has thought of it first. I believe the redriveclimbing "ongoing weekend idiot report" thread is well into over 20 pages... and that's JUST RRG.
2011 Newest climbing book. Assholes in North American Mountaineering
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justroberto
Oct 5, 2010, 6:21 PM
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blueeyedclimber wrote: I don't deny that the Gunks gets it's fair share of accidents (a lot more than I would like). But with the sheer amount of people we are talking about here, you just can't compare it to most areas. People that don't frequent it don't understand. A lot of people don't go there for that very reason. I happen to LOVE the climbing so I am willing to put up with it. Josh
It's a recipe for disaster, and yet, there's been one serious accident in the past year. I'm sure it's partially attributable to being mostly clip-ups with sport anchor at the top of every climb, but there's got to be a little more to it.
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bearbreeder
Oct 5, 2010, 6:42 PM
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there's been at least 2 deaths in squamish this year
and likely many more accidents ...
accident are all fun and games till they happen to you ...
and if you dont believe they can happen to you ... well ... i got a bridge to sell u
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blueeyedclimber
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justroberto wrote: It's an interesting phenomenon. Here in Austin there are a couple hundred climbs in the city limits. On an average weekday, there are probably 50-100 climbers out on the Greenbelt. On a weekend, considerably more, so many of them gumbies. People yelling, paying more attention to their dogs than belaying, shiny new gear everywhere, incompetent belayers, clueless leaders - it's a real shitshow. It's a recipe for disaster, and yet, there's been one serious accident in the past year. I'm sure it's partially attributable to being mostly clip-ups with sport anchor at the top of every climb, but there's got to be a little more to it.
I think it has a lot to do with the preparedness of the climber. Most climbers nowadays come right from a gym. What does the gym prepare climbers for? It will make them strong. Maybe they learned to sport lead in the gym. This doesn't totally prepare them for outside, but it transfer fairly well to sport climbing. You have obvious routes. Pre-placed harware. Single pitch. There is really only a few new variables to worry about.
Now, picture that same gym climber coming to the Gunks. Sandbagged grades. Runouts. Sometimes difficult route finding. Sometimes tricky placements. Easy climbs next to hard climbs that you may now find yourself accidentally on. Loose rocks to knock off at the top. Roofs that make communication difficult. All with the crowds of a gym environment.
Just something to think about.
Josh
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ensonik
Oct 5, 2010, 7:25 PM
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bearbreeder wrote: accident are all fun and games till they happen to you ...
No one hinted to the contrary.
bearbreeder wrote: and if you dont believe they can happen to you
No one said that, nor does anyone here believe it.
bearbreeder wrote: i got a bridge to sell u
Clever expression. Witty.
Also, the way you spelled 'u' instead of 'you', in the process saving 2 key strokes ... clever as well. Combined with the bullshit smug self-righteousness, it makes you sound very educated and smart. Keep it up.
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